Our mere existance…
Our mere existance is invalidating your marriage as we speak! Booga booga booga!!!
(Ellen DeGeneres, Portia de Rossi)
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And I would pay anything – ANYTHING – to see them invalidating my marriage on satin sheets. Yes even Ellen. Hey, funny’s pretty.
IAWTC
Truth. I think Ellen’s very pretty.
Ellen’s very pretty. They are SUCH a cute couple.
hey. i am so happy for you too! i wish i could come out to my parents. most of my friends know. and soome werent so thrilled. but yeah. i just wish everything was out and open and i could live freely!
Just tell them. If they can’t accept it, then they don’t really love you.
Hateful.
I’m pretty sure it’s meant to be ironic (hence the “Booga booga booga”). The fact that existence is spelled wrong is more offensive to me.
Hateful?? Hateful that they are mocking people that are bigots trying to take away basic rights that should have been there from the beginning???
Marriage is not a right, it is an institution.
If they want to be institutionalized, I suppose that’s their right… *GG*
Didn’t you know? Nowadays, we invent brand new rights all the time. Rights to free education, rights to free health care, the right to have your employer extend your health coverage to anyone you have sex with… We especially like rights that other people have to pay for. Those are most fun.
Let’s be honest here, shall we? SPECIAL RIGHTS are those granted to some, but not all. That means that any rights associated with marriage are SPECIAL RIGHTS and should either be taken away or shared with everyone else.
The “institution” of marriage is not being threatened, and I’m pretty sure that every thinking person understands that. It’s the people who think Obama is a Muslim terrorist, and who think that humans and dinosaurs co-existed, and who think that 9/11 was god’s punishment for the ACLU and queers, who don’t understand it.
The sanctity of marriage scare was and is nothing more than a political tactic to get the cowardly conservatives out to the polls and vote for George Bush, a clear underachiever.
We used to be PROUD of our civil rights accomplishments – remember that? Now the rest of the world is passing us like we’re a bicycle at the Indy 500, and it’s all because of ignorance, fear, and greed.
(I was replying to Einah, by the way. I KNOW this lolz is satire.)
I must take exception to your inclusion of wrong peoples…”and who think that humans and dinosaurs co-existed”. In the long running documentary “The Flintstones” it makes it quite clear that dinosaurs and humans not only coexisted but were codependent upon each other.
BAHAHAHAHA funniest retaliation ever! Good job!
I really hope you’re being sarcastic
*prepares for barrage of “you’re stupid, iggy”s*
I love you.
Wow Deb, great comment. Amen to that!
This isn’t PunditKitchen, people. Go start shit somewhere else.
But not at PK, please. We’ve had a lot over there, lately. Thanks!
I like you.
tl;dr
god forbid that people actually got an education,
or got treated for their ailments,
or even as far as having a stable economy,
imagine,
if we didn that we’d be like those dam europians.
Actually, alot of people in the european union have free health care, and even post secondary education. Most nordic countries have extremely stable economies, which is why they have said resources. Great britain has trounced the american dollar for as long as anyone can remember. Please know what you’re talking about before you open your big, uneducated mouth and soil this comment board with your stupidity. yeesh!
I’ll second kittehwantsmoar on his statement.
I’ve been living in Europe for the past 28 years, but even if I haven’t,
I could tell how ignorant you are. We receive post-graduate education
without having to bankrupt our families, we are pretty satisfied with
health care system (especially after seeing Michael Moore’s
“Sicko”), and about economical stability, I don’t think USA has anything
to teach us, especially now.
He was being sarcastic.
yes.. apparently we are making up new rights… like your “right” to mock other people who only want their marriages to be recognized in a court of law. they didnt ask you to join in the marriage.. they didnt even ask your opinion… oh.. is that why it bothers you then? bc they didnt ask little insecure you? does it make you feel less important and special? get over it. marriage is a right that everyone should share. so get over your superiority complex and realize that just because you dont like it its not going to go away. oh and by the way, putting other people down wont make your penis any bigger.
have a nice day!
So are you saying the right to love whoever you want to does not exist? I just made that up? Damn.
I like how when it’s straight people it’s “marriage” and “family”, but when it’s gay people it’s “anyone you have sex with”. I have been legally married fir 5 years and with the same man for 15, you douchetard. Because in Canada we “made up” that people are equal and that the civil State and the moral Church are separate. Oh wait, no, the U.S. invented those rights hundreds of years ago — we just DID it.
psych wards are institutions. marriage is something prudeful victorians invented.
orly? prudeful?
Youch.
Oh, I get it now. Sorry. I was thinking in the wrong direction. Mea culpa.
I’d totally do both of them…oh wait….
Can I do you ?
i cried when i heard that Portia De Rossi was a lesbian.
Still think she’s a great actress though. And Ellen is funnier than most comedians out there. Even Dane Cook, IMHO.
it’s not hard to be funnier than Dane Cook. Ketchup is funnier than that douchebag
And that’s just regular “ketchup”. Spell it “catsup” and oh the hilarity that will ensue!
OMG! It’s like “sup”per for “cat”s! Catsup! LOL!
You’re right, that IS funnier than Dane Cook!
lolcatsup
You cried? Because before she said it you actually had a shot? Durr dee durr
so i thought i had a shot. so did about 3 million other guys. *shrug* sue me, then.
Meh, like you had a shot at Portia anyway. = )
I can’t figure out whether the caption is being nasty or just sarcastic. Sorry, old straight white christian men, your reign of terror is over.
I can’t see the link between christianity and straightness
There shouldn’t be one, but there are plenty of Christians who believe that there is.
Arrghh. Why should I be the one to explain this. That “Jesus” guy said that the law of Moses stands unchanged (“Not one jot or tittle shall pass away…”). The OT law of Moses says that if two men have sex, then their neighbors are required to kill them or God will be angry if they don’t. Furthermore, in the NT, Peter says that there are no homosexuals in heaven.
Christianity, Judaism and Islam all exclude gay people from salvation.
Now … why gay people (such as myself) would CHOOSE to get involved with one of those religions, or pay any of them lip service, or respect or acknowledge them in any way … is beyond me.
Then why are you here explaining the religion?
Know thy enemy lol.
I don’t follow religion but It doesn’t mean I don’t try to understand why some do.
Because faith is a matter of examination and discussion, not logic and evidence. Sometimes we do things that we don’t understand in the name of our faith (eg, follow the precepts of one that claims our nature is a choice rather than a genetic trait), but there’s something in our choice that feels right, so we examine the various aspects of our choice in the hopes of finding rationale, but we don’t deny the counter evidence we find.
Of course, I find it easier to be a straight atheist who supports homosexual rights, since there’s no realistic non-faith based argument against them. Heard the “money” issue. Still don’t see why it should be handled differently than straight relationships.
“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ”- Gandhi
Hehe….he said “tittle”
lmfao… I think I hear peter griffin somewhere
Man… I’m Christian and yet, oddly, in all my Biblical study I never once found the message that I’m supposed to kill anyone. I also know that Jesus is way more about forgiveness than that. Also, Christians have been commanded not to judge anyone – “Take the plank out of your eye before taking the splinter out of your neighbor’s eye.” – “Let you without sin cast the first stone…” etc, etc.
I don’t know who told you that mess, but if they do it again, ask them to quote verse and scripture (you want to know where, and see it in a copy of the Bible). And then tell them that Jesus would be very disappointed in them for being so hateful – Christians are called to be compassionate to everyone, not just those that are like us.
Seriously, I apologize as a Christian that you’ve met a nut job like that.
Shhh…every knows that all Christians are hate filled zealots who kill those they disagree with, stone their women, beat their children, and blow up organizations they disagree with.
Wait a second, maybe I have the wrong religion.
no. u just might be GAY
And you might just be stupid.
Stupid enough to think calling someone gay is an insult. “Gay” orinally meant happy. I believe the term you seek is “homosexual”, which is not an insult still but a statement, and probably a false one here.
You have the wrong religion. If anyone does those things and claims to be a Christian, they lie.
“Man… I’m Christian and yet, oddly, in all my Biblical study I never once found the message that I’m supposed to kill anyone”
So you never found the part that says “If a man has sex with another man, he must be killed”?
Or for that part that says “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”?
Cause they are both in The Bible, and both seem to call for people to be killed by good, honest god-fearing folk.
Or do you have the Fisher Price version where everything is puppies and hugs?
Not in the New Testament, which is the New covenant we’re under. But if you’ve got verse numbers for me I’ll take a look – seriously.
And why are you attacking me for my religion? I have not attacked you in any way and don’t feel that I deserve to be attacked.
I would appreciate it if you’d avoid not only suggesting I lack the means to read on an adult level, but that I’m non-thinking because of my faith and the belief that I’ve not been called to murder anyone, as it is God’s responsibility to determine the nature of sin, not mine. My responsibility is to do the best I can, ask for His help in living my life correctly, and show compassion to those on this earth, no matter what they’re creed, sexual orientation, or race.
Thanks
I’m not attacking you for your religion. I am merely pointing out that The Bible is one of the most racist, homophobic, intolerant books ever written.
That doesn’t make people who read it racist, intolerant or homophobic (well – doesn’t automatically make them that) and I don’t think I said it did.
But – and I think I am pretty confident in saying this – there are those who take it as The Word Of God ™ and use it to do pretty shitty things to people they don’t like (such as gays and lesbians, for example).
People use anything at their disposal to do horrible things to others. In my faith we do have some that are just plain nuts and hate everyone. That doesn’t mean that the majority of us are that way. I’ve never felt called to hurt anyone, be mean to anyone, or to shun anyone based on my reading of the Bible – and not, not the Fischer Price version – that was harsh, btw. I’ve never heard a minster I’ve studied with suggest any of those things. I’ve been counseled to always show compassion and love. I may not agree with what people do, but it’s not my place to be God’s avenging angel, kwim?
On the other hand, but your logic science would also fall under that category as would all medicine. Science was used to prove the inferiority of other races, going so far as to suggest that African Americans would eventually rule the world because they had larger genitalia and breed better – so whites better get to it. It was also used to show Homosexuals were sick and needed treatment. Medicine was used in research to follow Syphilis in Black communities by denying them treatment to see what would happen. Today in Africa medical companies based out of America are running experiments on HIV positive mothers to determine how long they can go without treatment before the child will develop HIV at birth. Like I said in my original post, I apologize that all your experience has been with the crazies of my religion, but hey, all religions and non-religions have them, so singling out Christianity is a bit shortsighted. I have several homosexual friends and I personally do not find them disgusting, sick, etc. I find them to be caring compassionate people, hence why we are friends. They know I’m Christian, some of them are as well. They’ve never had a problem with my faith, and I have no problems with their life. As the New Testament states, no sin is greater than another. Therefore, I’m just as much a sinner as anyone else on this planet in the eyes of Christ. It would be stupid for me to judge anyone. The Christians that worship with feel much the same way I do. They would not exclude anyone from their lives based on something such as this.
Seriously, if you can provide verse number for me to examine where you find these things, I’ll happily take a look and see why you feel the way you do, but the Bible is pretty large and I do not have all the time in the world to look for things like that. I don’t know if you’ve misconstrued something or what have you. And remember too, for Christians, the sacrifice of Christ meant that we live under a new covenant with God – hence why we don’t need to find a white lamb to sacrifice on the alter any more.
Paranoid much? I don’t believe I said that you were an evil person, nor someone who did bad things based on your book. And I am pretty sure that I didn’t say EVERYONE who read The Bible was a psycho nutjob either. My parents are practicing Christians, and are some of the most tolerant people I have ever met.
However if you are going to deny that anyone in this day and age uses their religion – based on The Bible – to behave like utter shits to people they don’t like, then I am going to have to take issue with that.
“If a man lies down with another man as they do with a woman then they both and done evil and should be put to death.”
I could be wrong, but I think that means you have to kill gay men. Unless somehow I have misconstrued what “put to death” means?
You don’t seem to be getting the whole ‘new covenant’ thing. I also like how you claim shock at their “paranoia” and then proceed to tell them how people use religion to mistreat others like they didn’t concede that point already. Your ilk are very irritating.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies down with another man as they do with a woman then they both and done evil and should be put to death.
I should also add that Leviticus also says that women when they have ‘aunt flow’ must leave town and exile themselves… Not seeing to many Christian women do that now a days.
Aunt Flo?
My husband had an Aunt Flo; she seemed to be a kick and I couldn’t imagine anyone wanting to exile her.
Seriously, I think the going aside for a few days was a way to keep homicide rates down during the height of cramps and tension. I know I’d like a vacation on those days.
The documentary For The Bible Tells Me So, about being gay in Christian families, takes a wonderful look at all of the verses used to condemn homosexuality. It looks at them in their historical context. This one, for instance. At this point, they were a growing society and needed to continue to grow, so procreative sex was the only kind that was acceptable, because it was necessary. Forbidding sex for fun is still not cool, but a bit more understandable. Since in our time, we obviously do not NEED everyone to be reproducing, this doesn’t really apply to our society.
I’m a Christian also and I totally agree. I scares me who messed up everyones perception of Christianity is. The Bible does say that we will be hated after all.
Exodus 21:15-17 (King James Version)
15And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely
put to death.
16And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be
found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
17And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely
be put to death.
Leviticus 20:10-14 (King James Version)
10And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s
wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife,
the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11And the man that lieth with his father’s wife hath uncovered his
father’s nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their
blood shall be upon them.
12And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely
be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be
upon them.
13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both
of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put
to death; their blood shall be upon them.
14And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they
shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no
wickedness among you.
The Bible is one of those little things that should really not be taken literally IMO. Besides, the interpretation of Jesus’s teachings and what’s in that book and blah blah blah is really all dependant on what denomination of Christianity you’re talking about.
Personally, I’m Episcopalian, and my church is pretty damn open to everyone, so I get kinda disappointed in people who stereotype Christians as fanatical bible-thumping homophobic zealots. (Not to say that they don’t exist, but prejudice isn’t cool, man.)
White, straight, xtian males don’t hold the monopoly on assholery, any patriarchal religion is chock full of misogynistic, homophobic, ignorance. Please feel free to be more open minded and mock all of the fundies no matter what stupidity they believe in.
Yeah… I’m not sure about this either. Seems a bit… offensive?
How?
(Not trying to be a smart-ass, I just don’t see what’s offensive.)
Maybe I don’t get it… maybe this is supposed to be ironic? To me it looks like whoever captioned this is saying that lesbian partnerships invalidate straight marriages…
But then looking at the other captions made by Emily it doesn’t look like the sort of joke she’d usually make… Oh, I don’t know. Ignore me.
“o me it looks like whoever captioned this is saying that lesbian partnerships invalidate straight marriages… ”
No – it’s mocking people who say that. You can tell by the “booga, booga, booga” part at the end.
And it’s not Irony, it’s sarcasm. There is a difference (at least in the UK)
Then I stand corrected, and happily so.
And I’m aware that there’s a difference between Irony and Sarcasm, but to be fair I didn’t know whether this was supposed to be ironic or sarcastic, because I obviously didn’t get the joke.
Yeah, I didn’t get it either… but it sure was entertaining to see everyone try to explain or foist religion. Hilarity ensued indeed!
“And I’m aware that there’s a difference between Irony and Sarcasm”
That makes you one of very few people in the world. It really does surprise me how many people use the word “irony” when they mean “sarcasm” – take Steve Martin in Roxanne, and pretty much the whole of America.
DEFINITELY sarcastic. Funny!
Ahh, I love making fun of intolerant bigots (And if I can’t make fun of them directly, I can at least laugh along with the people doing the mocking)
TOTALLY agree!
Hubby and I feel dis way too. OUR marriage isn’t threatened by same sex marriages, so what’s the worry? It’s not like if gay marriage is allowed, that EVERYONE has to do it!
It’s about the destruction of culture by radicals. If the point is that they love each other and want to be together, then no one’s stopping them. If they want the legal (economic) benefits, then civil unions (a contract between two people) perfectly fill that role. The only reason to force the term marriage is to redefine the culture, piece by piece.
The catch is that in the US, a civil union does NOT offer the same rights and benefits as a marriage does.
http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf
Actually the only reason to insist upon the term marriage is to leave absolutely no room for doubt that same-sex relationships are no less valid and important than anyone else’s.
If the legal recognition of your partnership is called marriage, Robert, then the legal recognition of my partnership had better be called the same thing. If gay couples only get civil unions, then so do you. That’s how America works. Don’t like it, I hear France is lovely this time of year.
I think France would be even more “tolerant”.
And just because I live in America doesn’t mean I have to like everything about it. Now that would be brainwashing…
I love the argument that you should just call gay marriages “civil unions” and be done with it. Last time I checked, in 1954 the Supreme Court ruled in Brown v. Board of Education that the “Separate but Equal” doctrine espoused in the Plessy v. Ferguson case of 1896, (and which led to Jim Crow laws) was inherently UNEQUAL on its face. Therefore — you can’t have two separate institutions for two separate groups — it’s both unconstitutional and un-American. Separate but equal is ALWAYS unequal, by definition, and by the ruling of the Supreme Cout, no matter how you try to sugarcoat it. Either everyone can get married by the state or no one can. Fair’s fair. You want a solution to be able to fairly exclude gays from marriage? Fine. Then you can null all “marriages” done in civil ceremonies and strip them of the title “married.” Leave the word “marriage” exclusively for religious ceremonies only and not for civil ceremonies sanctioned by the state. That way, both gays and straights have the equal opportunity to have their civil unions blessed by the religion of their choice and called a marriage. Opponents of gay marriage can go find the most bigoted faith they like and worship there, knowing that gay people will keep their distance. Everyone goes home happy. Except for the non-religious straight people. Can’t win ‘em all, I guess.
I ENTIRELY agree with this. This is my exact opinion on the issue.
Yah, you’re totally right. All this nonsense about brothers and sisters, and first cousins, and adults with minors, etc. not being able to get married has got to stop! Oh, and polygamy, why not accept that different types of love can exist and are just as equal as the currently limited legal marriage.
VERY offensive!!!!!!!!!
omg people it’s a friggin joke! That’s why the “booga booga booga” at the bottom. I think it’s ironic and hilarious
Frankly, what I find most offensive is that vest. It’s awful.
I concur vehemently. It is atrocious. Ellen’s stylist should be fired…
I’d guess she’s trying to look like a man.
Why I don’t know.
Yeah…she looks like she just came back from a golfing trip. o_O
Maybe she did?
Hey, they’re happy and doing no physical harm to ANYBODY. Let them be. BTW, I had to break the news about Portia to a buddy of mine. You never saw anybody more despondent. Maybe that’s the harm that she did, not that he had a shot with her if she was straight, of course.
Seriously, this lol is great. It isn’t offensive at all; it was clearly meant as satire. I love it but then again I’ve got reason to.
Hey do you swallow to? ‘Cuz you suck!
No, they don’t have to worry about swallowing…
I feel dumb. How are they invalidating my marriage?
They’re not.
That’s kinda the point.
I find it ironic that the group trying to ban gay marriages and make existing same-sex marriages null and void is called “Protect Marriage.” Um, no, you’re the ones trying to Prevent and Destroy marriages, not protect them.
For those in areas where they’re not currently battling over marriage rights, so they don’t get the joke, the anti-gays & fundamentalists are all up in arms about how allowing gays and lesbians to marry would somehow make all other marriages worthless. There’s some pseudo-logic somewhere there, but damned if I’ve ever been able to follow it.
Uh. Actually marriage traditionally meant the union between a man and a woman. Only that, and nothing more. So technically their logic makes sense. They’re trying to protect (hence the name) the institution of marriage as it was traditionally interpreted.
Er… the sense is where? Traditionally is a shit word religious types hide behind. What they *mean* is RELIGIOUSLY. Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the civil right of a human being to marry the person they love. I don’t get why or how Americans allow civil and religious issues to get so mixed up. Why the fuck would my marriage to the man I love (or Portia’s to the woman she wants to spend th rest of her life with) in any way affect my parents’ straight marriage? Wtf?
You’re kidding, yes?
That bar has moved several times. “Marriage” has meant “union between man and woman”, “union between man and woman of same race”, “union between man and chattel”, and several others over the course of several centuries.
Words change. People must deal with it.
And 99.7%* of people using that argument actually mean “OMFG teh gay ICK ICK ICK ICK ICK.”
*Statistic brought to you by the Department of Statistics I Made Up On The Spot
And 99.7%* of people using that argument actually mean “OMFG teh gay ICK ICK ICK ICK ICK.”
Or possibly, “OMFG teh gay ICK but I am secretly fascinated which is why I will be over-vehement in my condemnation of your sexuality!”
TRUTH.
You might catch teh ghey.
Just to simplify the above comment, gay-bashers believe that homosexuality is basically a kinky fetish, not an emotional attraction. Therefore, marriage between two gay people is not a bond of love, just a way to match sexual gratification with the various benefits of civil union. ‘Course, assume that it’s *not* a kinky fetish, and suddenly you’re just infringing on the civil rights of fellow human beings.
even though i hope it was meant as a joke, i do find it offensive because this site is supposed to make fun of celebrities who look stupid, not those who are just living their lives
Well, it’s not exactly making fun of the celebs in this case. It’s using celebs to make fun of the anti-gay-marriage folks
Too bad you don’t know about spell check. It’s spelled “existence”.
I’m gonna marry a woman, and this is foul, no way this can be a legal union. This is an uber-liberal chain of sites.
Congratulations! Which one of you is going to be the husband?
So go ahead! How does their relationship affect yours?
I’m not certain that it was this chain of sites that let them marry. But hey – let me check in to it and get back to you, just in case ICHC has infact become the Federal Government.
(It could happen
)
What’s wrong with you Americans? You find everything offensive. So I can make all the fun I want about straight white people but if I make fun of any other category it’s offensive? That’s just retarded, the whole point is to treat them equally.
That’s because political correctness in the USA is basically to hate every custom, practice, tradition, and mindset that has been present in America since it’s beginnings. Basically, to be politically correct is to hate anything and everything about the status quo.
We are a bunch of retards, aren’t we?
Wow…that’s probably the best description of the PC crowd I’ve ever heard. See my comment above.
That’s because the status is not quo.
Engaged – it is a legal union, CA legally allowed it – I believe your concern is about morality – so try again.
I took this as sarcastic, and I laughed. I think the point here is that with the rate of divorce so high, quickie marriages and divorces, lack of fidelity, etc that if anyone is invalidating marriage it’s those heterosexual married couples that don’t behave married.
Thank you!!! I just hope it is a legal union after the election. I already had my No on Prop 8 Sign taken off my door in less than 24 hours. Bigoted bastards!!
Please put another up! Please?
While I disagree with your stance, it’s unacceptable for either side to suppress their opponents in that way.
Oh, and another thing, I find homosexuality a psychological complex (syndrome) caused by unfortunate eventes and frustrations from childhood / poor social skills / poor education. I don’t care about your political correctness, I’m just expressing myself and I’m an atheist so don’t go there. What’s next? We’ll have to talk nice to pedophiles so that we won’t be offensive and hurt their feelings?
I have excellent social skills as do most gay men. We are on average better educated than most heterosexuals. And I had no unfortunate events in my childhood. Yet I am a big ol’ Mo. It happens! It has been part of the human condition since time began. Suck it up and deal 6262
Ok, maybe I crossed the line a bit. The point is it’s not a question of nature, it’s a question of psychology. I’m sure that if you grew up in another environment there were big chances you turned out straight. We as humans are very fragile and maleable, with some knowledge one could raise a kid to be whatever he likes, a murderer, a painter, a priest; as kids we are blank sheets of paper.
Um, no. One is born gay. I have several gay and lesbian friends, one of which is my best friend. He is incredibly intelligent, and the only problem with his childhood was that he started having feelings for other guys, when all the other guys started having feelings for girls. The only thing a different environment would change would be his willingness to be open about his sexuality. This isn’t a fact or anything, but every gay person I know has a gay relative (or one that everyone is sure about but won’t come out of the closet), even if they have never met that person before. What would be the ideal environment to raise a child straight? A gay-bashing community where children are taught that being homosexual is wrong? There’d still be gay kids, they’d just be too scared to admit it! One of my lesbian friends grew up in the south where they were very against gays, she got married, had kids…. And THEN she finally came out. How do you explain homosexual animals? Because there are a ton of them, especially bisexual. I have a male cat that’s a bengal, so we got a female cat so they could make kittens. We tried several different female cats, but our male cat will only hump other males. I had a dog when I was younger that was the same way… two dogs actually, who were very attracted to each other. To my knowledge just about every species has gay or bisexual members. Personally, I really don’t believe in sexual orientations, I think everyone is gay and straight, it’s just to what degree.
On the contrary, there is definitely a component of individual nature. There are physiologic and genetic markers that are consistently different in gay men (there isn’t much research in lesbians as yet). I point you to a paper in /Nature/ magazine, in the summer months of 1993, by Dean Hamer for the genetics, and a paper in /Science/ magazine in 1991 by Simon LeVay for the physiology.
Dude (or whatever) whether or not it’s natural isn’t the point. Wearing clothes isn’t natural. Using antibiotics isn’t natural. Posting on a friggin’ web forum sure isn’t natural. And marriage itself isn’t natural.
Whether or not some something hurts or helps someone is the point. There’s a chance of physical or physiological harm to any kind of sex but adults are able to weight the risks and benefits for themselves.
Pedophilia is a different category altogether. Children are intrinsically less capable of making those decisions for themselves, plus they are more subject to coercion, plus they are far more likely to suffer physical and emotional harm from the act.
As an aside, it’s already legal to marry children (people under 18) in every single state of the union, so pedophilia is already legal and has been basically forever.
“And marriage itself isn’t natural.”
Not the point I know, but I LOL’ed. Then showed it to my husband, who LOL’ed also.
I would suggest you attend a general biology class. All human behavior has its roots in genetics, even though many people try to avoid that. Humans are just another animal, but with less sense.
I have no doubt that homosexuality will be linked with a certain set of alleles some time. Just like blond hair has. Just like every other trait, including most ‘psychological’ syndromes.
I would think that if one were to have had a “bad experience” with a particular gender that it wouldn’t neccesarily turn you to being attracted to the opposite gender but rather only turn you off of the first. I don’t know… I don’t think anyone really knows why they are how they are… I think that’s God’s job. He made us all the way we are for a reason, even homosexuals. And for the record, I don’t believe that a God as wonderful as ours would hate any one person for being gay when He wouldn’t hate any other for stealing, pre-marital relations or what have you. We all sin, but he loves us anyway…. equally.
And in some cases the roots of genetics are in behaviours…
wrap your noodle around that one!
Wow, what planet did you just come from? “as kids we are blank sheets of paper”? If that were in any way true there would be a LOT more people getting along with their parents. I won’t say “most” or “all” people say “fuck you” to their parents and do their own thing no matter how hard their parents try and get them to be who/what they want, but a whole hell of a lot do, at least. “You’re going to be a doctor!” “Fuck you! I’m going to be an oboist!” “You’re going to be a lawyer!” “Fuck you! I’m going to be a teacher!” “You’re going to be a girl!” “Fuck you! I’m a boy!”
And yeah, there are outside influences on us as kids, but our parents and our peers are the big ones, as well as society. So where did hippies come from?
Anyway, if it were true that children are truly blank slates, then what we’re really doing is simply raising most kids to be a straight, but it could go either way. If it’s not hurting anyone to be gay, then let’s just raise MORE kids to be gay! Cure overpopulation!
But my one biggest question, regarding the “blank sheets of paper”, is: did your parents raise you to be an atheist? Or our christian society?
Do you have any real knowledge of psychology, 6262? If so, I doubt it’s very current, considering that same-sex attraction doesn’t get much coverage in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders these days.
We’re not “blank sheets of paper.” People have brains, which are very complex organs regulated by structures and chemicals we (or at least I, and I’m guessing you) don’t fully understand. We’re born with several hardwired predisipositions: spatial perception, cognition, pattern recognition, and sexuality, just to name a few. While environment and upbringing has its place, it doesn’t explain the sum of human development.
The biological component should not be ignored. As I undestand it, the bulk of contemporary research in psychology is as much biochemical as it is behavioral, if not more so.
Besides, if the “tabula rasa” theory were true, then we’d have *no* sexual predisposition; we’d all start out either asexual or bisexual, and be “raised into” heterosexual or homosexual inclinations. Since heterosexuality is as much a syndrome as homosexuality (or bisexuality), why should it get preferential treatment?
That’s not to say I think that sexual attraction and identity is always 100% biologically determined, but it does seem to play a role and to some degree it seems determined by things other than predictable biological factors. For that matter, how do you correlate same-sex attraction to “childhood frustrations,” poor education, and poor social skills?
Also, I’d like to speak to your sidewise comparison of gay people to pedophiles. To answer your question: so long as they’re not hurting anyone (that’s an important qualifier), I think you should “talk nice” to *everyone*, no matter what psychological complexess they exhibit. It’s just polite. And while roflrazzi (being devoted to mockery) is probably the wrong place to expect politeness, there are still some lines I’d prefer people didn’t cross. Unless it’s really funny.
I know this is already so far buried it’ll likely never be seen. Sorry, I’ll try to be faster on the reply next time.
“it seems determined by things other than predictable biological factors.”
I meant “predictable environmental factors.”
oops.
Your way of thinking is really stuck far back in time. I believe you are quoting a physiologist named John B Watson. He said, in 1913, “Give me a dozen healthy infants, well-formed, and my own special world to bring them up in and I’ll guarantee to take any one at random and train him to become any type of specialist I might select – doctor, lawyer, artist, merchant-chief, and yes, beggarman and thief.” We all know this is not entirely true today. It is regarded as an overstatement.
The nature-nuture debate has been going on for centuries and the answer to it is that our behavior is a result of biological and psychological factors working together. For an example: a person isn’t born knowing how to read. A person is born with the capability to read but that potential capability doesn’t happen until a person is about 4-5 years old, some older, some younger. The actual learning part of reading, learning how vowels and consonants combine together to make words, is psychological.A person has to maturationally be ready to read before they can learn to read.
All psychological associations have denounced the theory that homosexuality is a mental illness. You might want to do your research. I know many people, including myself, that have had feelings for the same sex since I was 2.
True. More and more studies are finding that there IS a biological basis to homosexuality. It is an inborn desire.
Bisexuality seems to be more of a choice. I adore my husband, but I could sooooo do Portia, or Halle, or Angelina, or Margaret Cho, or Grace Jones, or Eddie Izzard! I think he feels the same… Hahaha.
And love is so hard to find, you would think that everyone would celebrate 2 people finding it with each other!
The marriage issue is NOT merely about sexual preference. ‘Gay’ people can have sex with whatever willing partner they want already. What they WANT is the right to be considered a permanent life partner of their chosen life partner. Life insurance, hospital visits, and recognition of their relationship are what they seek in legal marriages.
I’m bisexual and I don’t find it to be a choice at all. Sure it’s a choice who my partners are, but it’s not a choice who I desire or love. That just happens. Otherwise I’d make myself stop falling in love with straight women.
It’s a pain in my ass.
I’ll make sure my bi-sexual friend with THREE college degrees knows that poor education contributes to her sexual ‘deviance’
Dude. You’re equating homosexuality with pedophilia and saying that it’s just a psychological syndrome, which is both rude and ignorant, then you say that THEY’RE the ones with poor social skills and education???
That’s fine that you believe the way you do, but there’s at least one very big difference between homosexuals and pedophiles. Pedophiles cannot act on their desires without harming a child, physically and/or mentally. Homosexuals can (and usually do) engage in fulfilling relationships that harm no one. I’m not going to try and argue whether or not homosexuality is a mental condition or a natural thing, but automatically equating homosexuality with something like pedophilia doesn’t exactly make a lot of sense.
I started having feelings for both boys AND girls when I was in grade school. My first crush was on a girl. I’m middle-class, good neighbourhood, excellent education, and my social skills are great. I have good friends, a healthy, happy life… and I’m bisexual. I didn’t choose it, I’m not confused, I’m just me.
And you’re kind of stupid.
“poor social skills”. Are you kidding? I wish I had the social skills that the gay men I know have.
I couldn’t click your name to private message you, and I couldn’t be bothered to try any harder. I can’t believe your message. How can you justify comparing gay men and women to paedophiles? What’s wrong with you? Do you watch nothing but Fox News?! Even if you do, that was an incredible display of ignorance, hatefulness and bigotry. Paedophillia is the willing abuse of children – homosexuality is the FACT (not choice) that a person (any person – your relatives? your friends?) just happen to be attracted to their own gender, not the opposite. What difference does that make? It’s not like that tiny fact affects their conversational abilities, their “moral compass” or any other human attribute. You seriously need to have a think about this. What you said was really not that far removed from racism or sexism. Race, gender and sexuality are NOT something you choose, and therefore NOT something you can expect to be judged for.
I didn’t know Portia de Rossi was gay…
….:-)
Aww they look so cute together
I love Ellen, she’s funny.
I really don’t understand how people aren’t seeing the sarcasm…? Who seriously says ‘booga booga’?
I heard it in McCain’s tone in that first debate….
I totally got the sarcasm, and I thought it was funny!
Yeah, I don’t see how their marriage does anything to make mine invalid. That school of thought is just insane.
Good for them that they were able to finally marry. Congrats Ellen and Portia! May your marriage be as happy and fulfilling as mine has been, over 17 years! ;o)
Funniest one I’ve seen on this site thus far.
I don’t get it. At all.
There is a proposition on the ballot here in California that is trying to put bigotry in the state constitution to never allow same sex couples to marry. They say that same sex couple invalidates straight couples relationships. Because we all know that the validity of any relationship can only come from what is going on around you
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I think it is supposed to be a bit of a joke, but its not very funny. Like someone said earlier that this site is meant to make fun of celebrities when they look stupid. All this is doing is mocking two people that love each other.
Nope, they are making fun of all of the bigots in California trying to pass a law that would spew hate into the state constitution.
this is NOT mocking the celebs. It’s mocking hatred against gays, quite frankly
Seriously, I might be going out on a limb here, but I can easily imagine Ellen getting a laugh out of this. And I can easily imagine her saying ‘boogaboogabooga!’ too.
Totally! If I had a way to like send it to her I would, maybe she has something for her show where you can send things in IDK. But I saw it, threw my head back and laughed my butt off! Now my cat is very pissed and my dog confused. I’m still making odd laughing/giggle/snort sounds reading the comments the idiots are making.
I LOL’d, hard – and that’s coming from one of those evil straight white males, so you KNOW this one was funny!
Seriously, people who spaz over things like this really need to find something better to do with their time than watch for people (who aren’t harming anyone else) enjoying themselves and try to interfere.
As a gay man, I found this totally hysterical. I mean, really, the “booga booga booga” makes it clear that this is sarcasm. This isn’t mocking Ellen and Portia, it’s using them to mock the bigots who want to deny them their civil rights. Okay, it’s not strictly within the ambit of the site, but it’s still funny!
Methinks this should be a Pundit Kitchen, so the PITAs who are saying, “This is supposed to make fun of stupid celebs!” will STFU….
It’s political humor, it’s sarcasm, and it’s FABULOUS!!!
Like Lewis Black said – what, are there gay couples sneaking into hetero families’ homes, and screwing on the dinner table??? Is THAT what’s making people feel threatened???
And OMG, gotta love the COMPLETE time-warp mentality of the “mental illness” theory….nice….kinda like the “pray away the gay” bullshit….
I thought this was hilarious. But what when gays start crying out because a particular church refuses to marry them. Seperation of church and state right? Marraige is a religious institution for the most part.
Marriage is a state institution that may or may not be carried out in a place of worship, but only if the proper paperwork and certificates are filed with the state. It’s already separation of church and state, and has been for ages. You can get married in a courthouse, you can get married in Vegas by an Elvis impersonator in a drive-in chapel.
And do Jews cry out if a Moslem mosque refuses to marry them? Hey, there are still churches that refuse to do interracial marriages, or marry someone who’s been divorced. So why do you think that gays would suddenly start “crying out” if an anti-gay church won’t marry them? If that sort of thing were going to be a problem, it would certainly be a problem already with thousands of heterosexual couples crying out that certain churches won’t marry them. That’s a non-issue.
YES!!! That’s what I was thinking. They have a version in France, but basically I’m of the opinion that Gays should automatically be able to get married and get the same rights as married people according to the governemnt (basically a civil cermony) but then each religion should decide if they want to let gays be married in their church.
I LOLed, showed my hubby and he LOLed. Its so funny how the rights think that someone they might never meet, who has nothing to do with their life, could effect it AT ALL. “God loves everyone.. BUT YOU CAN’T!” I dun get how loving someone could be harmful. They’re both consenting adults.
Oh.. And I wonder how many people have bothered to think about it.. a MARRIAGE is a Legal union.. and has NO bases in religion what so ever. God isn’t involved, Church isn’t involved.. heck.. Atheists can get married, why can’t gays? You get Married by going down to the court house and signing legal papers which have no reference to god or religion anywhere on them.. THEN you have a wedding. A WEDDING is the only part that might be considered religious. So why don’t we make a new category for people who get married and then have a wedding, allow gays to get married like normal, and we can have the people who are ‘Married’ and the people who are ‘Wed’. Its as logical as civil unions, don’t ya think?
This wouldn’t fix the problem. There already are civil unions. The problem is separating people into categories. It wouldn’t fix the bigotry, and it’s still gives the option for people to say, “I’m better than you because I’m wed.”
It was sarcasm… just like the picture?
SO… do they have a celebrity sex tape yet?
Ugh. You’re disgusting.
lol, link it if you find it.
So … let me get this straight … my long-time partner is Mexican, but even if I marry him somewhere he can still be deported because the federal government insists on a 1:1 penis-to-vagina ratio for a marriage to be valid. The government does this because Jesus told them to, despite the Constitution forbidding them to consider religion when legislating.
As an alternative, I could go to Vegas and marry a crack-whore I met the same day and that would be “sanctified” by tiny, little baby Jesus and she would be granted citizenship.
Too bad I don’t live in a civilized nation where this wouldn’t be an issue. Oh, and by the way, I’m sick of paying taxes for your children to go to public school while my partner’s health insurance provided by my employer is taxed as income merely because he has the wrong equipment. Also, I must pay thousands of dollars extra in taxes because Jesus’ tax code won’t let me file joint returns.
1:1 penis-to-vagina ratio
John, sorry to hear you’re gay and taken, BECAUSE I THINK I LOVE YOU! This is hilarious. I must remember this for the next time I’m online-battling a fundie.
Huh, I would have thought that Lindsay Lohan and that girl she’s “dating” would be up here. As opposed to people who actually love each other and aren’t doing it for the publicity.
I doubt Lindsay’s doing it for the attention. They kept it quiet for quite some time.
I think this is a really good one! Where I’m from love is the the most important thing about a relationship, not what genitalia each partner has…
I have no problem with same sex marriages. What I do have is an issue with it being RAMMED down people’s throats. In California, if things don’t change churches and religious leaders can and no doubt will be sued for refusing to marry same sex couples. The way it was written is that you cannot refuse to marry them if they come to you.
Whatever happened to “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”?
Don’t try to pretend that’s the issue. If you actually think that IS the issue, sorry, I didn’t mean to be rude. I don’t believe any issue is ever “rammed” (my, what sexual and provocative wording!) down anyone’s throats (good God, could you be referring to oral sex?! UNNATURAL!!!). You either pay attention or you don’t. I think it’s everybody’s duty to pay attention to civil rights. In 20 years, I honestly think the next generation – your kids? – will be as confused by our generation’s refusal to give gay men and lesbian women rights as we are by the refusal to allow women to vote, or the ridiculous belief that black people are in some way inferior. We need to get with the times in an active way.
The way WHAT is written? The proposition is written AGAINST same-sex marriage. So where is this mysterious something-or-other that’s written somewhere that says that a church can’t refuse to marry gays? You’re completely making that up out of thin air. You do know that giving false testimony violates the ten commandments, don’t you?
I grow ever more nostalgic for the times when such things were considered personal and private.
“Gay rights don’t threaten my marriage, it’s those straight women who keep sleeping with my husband.” (New Yorker cartoon)
Honestly, how silly is it that our legal system stands up for the right of gays to sleep with any and every consenting adult they want, as many as they want, as often as they want; yet makes it ILLEGAL for them to be in committed monogamous relationships?
For what it’s worth, many churches do same-sex weddings. (United Church of Christ, for example). Let’s solve the real problem: civil unions through the government for all, gay and straight; marriages through your church/mosque/synagogue/temple as you deem necessary.
Seconded!
I know several straight couples who will never legally be joined, because they equate marriage with religion. One of them keeps joking “Where’s MY right to have a ‘Civil Union’ and not be ‘Married’?!”
Also, I’m a Christian… and sorry fundies, but like it or not, our God loves everyone regardless of the nature of their sin.
No… really… it’s true. I promise.
Well the fast is, a marriage is a civil union.. and believing it has anything to do with religion is ignorance (a curable illness). If you walked down to a courthouse, had a little talk with a Justice of the Peace, signed a few papers.. the same papers EVERY married couple has to sign.. there would be no mention of God, Jesus, the Church, or any commandments in that form. Its nothing more then a legal document. And that’s why atheists, Muslims, Jews and every other religious or none religious group is allowed to get married. God is in the church.. there IS a separation of church and state. You have a WEDDING for religious reasons (unless you just want to dress up like Han and Princess Laia >.>).
The problem is the people running the government, the ones who make the laws, are all religious fanatics. They’ve twisted their reasoning from “he bible says no gays” to “Tradition says no gays” and they can’t come up with a better reason.. except for the millions of dollars they wave around to have it their way.
Oi. leave ellen and portia alone.
Gladly! Do your thing but leave me alone. I just don’t see why, after all the agony I, personally, have had to go through to be heterosexual, we should congratulate the homosexuals and exalt them in the media. But them I’m pretty maladjusted. Ignore me. The medication is taking hold nowwwww
I know no one will probably read this all the way down here – but really…
People attempting to show some kind of intelligence by way of ill thought out genetic “facts” without consideration for evolutionary impetus. Or the straight people who are oh so offended because they all seem to have gay best friends…
YOUR ON ROFLRAZZI.COM – DON’T TAKE THINGS SO SERIOUSLY HERE.
FAIL.
As far as the evolutionary impetus goes, there is evidence that suggests that while homosexuals obviously don’t reproduce (at least, not unless they are in the closet or using in vitro), families that include them may have been more fit in evolutionary terms, at least in the past. I’ve heard two thories about this. One is that women who have only one copy of one of the genetic markers found in gay men go through puberty earlier and menopause later, thereby extending the time when they can bear children, and presumably allowing them to have more children. This is the same sort of situation as what you find with sickle-cell anemia: someone who has two copies would most likely not survive long enough to reproduce wihout medical care, but someone who has only one copy is more resistant to malaria, and therefore is more likely to survive. The other is harder to prove, but it does make sense to me at least. This is that in a time when one or both parents had a high chance of dying before their children were able to fend for themselves, it would be an advantage for a group (who would all most likely be related, and therefore be carriers of recessive genes) if there were some members without children of their own, because they would be able to take care of their little nieces and nephews, who would then pass on their recessive genes.
I hope their children grow up OK. Oh yeah, that won’t happen.
Okay, here’s the problem with gays. Trust me, this is a unique thought for a change and yah it is a problem.
1. First, the GLBT activist community has long rebelled and struggled (some would say courageously so*) against a patriarchical tradition based on a Judeo-Christian model.
No problem with that.
2. The problem is that later, they all (yeah “all”) turn hypocrites; asking for the so-called “right” to parrot a what? A what-what? A patriarchical tradition based on a Judeo-Christian model. Only its been bastardized to suit their whim.
Hypocrites in your face and you don’t even see it.
3. What no one is bright enough to realize is that in order to bring about a truly “enlightened” and sexually-liberated society, they should be opposing all forms of Judeo-Christian patriarchical behavior.
Thus to sum up, “gay marriage” is an agenda-driven wedge-issue propped up by (divorce) lawyers and Ellen is only one of many mindless puppets.
EVERYONE GET A CLUE. Read “The Cake is Rotten” by Charles W. Johnson. Relax, it’s a short read there Ellen.
*Which is BS, since our society is cowed with subjective liberal guilt.
I know quite a few LGBTQ activists who want to abolish marriage as an institution all together. It’s not about the title of marriage or the patriarchal traditions that go along with it. It’s about the rights it grants the couple. Those tend to be things that become necessary.
Lets re define marriage so that after 2 years a child is not born (since the purpose of marriage is to reproduce, cause you know we are all good people and don’t have sex pre marriage or if we do we are shooting blanks) then the marriage is void.
we shouldn’t allow post menopausal women get marriage ’cause they can’t produce children.
we shouldn’t let women who’ve had hysterectomies or men who’s had their testis removed to marry since they can’t produce children.
and we should prevent marriage for men that have a low or no sperm count.
And for those of you can’t see irony, I’m being ironic.
LOLZplace is fur LOLZ not stupid effing debates that neither side will win! STFU if you are not here for LOLZ or Cheezburger kindly remove your crusty fusty presence NOW.
omgSTFU
-immediately ends the whole argument about gay marriage-
Marriage is a religious institution, and the government shouldn’t be sticking its nose into STRAIGHT marriage any more than it should be sticking its nose into GAY marriage.
Get the IRS out of my chapel.
K?
too bad prop 8 didn’t pass, eh?
How dare you?! Portia de Rossi and Ellen Degeneres are two happy, intelligent women who happen to be in love. What the hell is wrong with that?! Our modern society must become more accepting and loving of the LGBT community and it’s many wonderful members!
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people, and it’s very upsetting that primitive people such as yourself are stuck in an ignorant rut. I hope that one day you will come to realize that the LGBT community is a great asset of pop culture and our modern world.
And that “1″ is not a proper substitute for “!”.
And finally that it’s spelled “existence” not “existance.”
The US is certainly full of bastards and assholes isn’t it?
Not all of us. I’m straight but have many gay and lesbian friends. I want them to have the same right as I do – to marry the one they love. Love is blind, and they are in no way threatening my own impending union. No one should be allowed to tell ANYONE “you can’t have these human rights because you’re different” We are all human, and we all deserve love, protection and peace.
I wish these two women the best in their marriage.
what’s the matter iwth you??
i love Ellen and Portia! i hope you never find somebody who loves you like Ellen and Portia love each other.
Harsh.
*Yawns at argument* I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Christ wasn’t Christian, he was Jewish. *Flicks ears*
Why don`t u peeps get it? We christians don`t srsly care if ur gay or not. U wanna get married, get married, u want rights, wut eva. Wut bothers us is that we don`t want people, usually non gays, telling us we r evil and mean 4 not saying gays are fantastic. The radicals on tv r just that. Radicals. Leave us alone and we`ll do likewise.
i am so sick of this argument! why cant people just realize that marriage has nothing to do with gender, but only with the amount of love you share! marriage should be a HUMAN RIGHT NOT A HETEROSEXUAL PRIVILEGE!
ENOUGH OF THIS POLITICAL TALK!!!!!! >.<
ellen DEGENERATE.