SPOCK’S MOM
SPOCK’S MOM
It’s official. We’re OLD.
(Winona Ryder)
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Quite old it seems.
True that is.
No!!!!! I refuse to believe I’m old!
IMHO Winona Ryder is too young to have a full grown son. But oddly enough not by much (she’s 37-38).
Fail.
I’m 38 with a 21-year-old.
Well, Spock is supposed to be 25 when this movie takes place.
38-25 = 13. Bit too young eh? And IMHO Winona looks very young for her age so adjusting her age upwards is at least for me immersion-breaking.
Ok, so I’m a bit prejudiced, but I usually don’t consider boys to become men (full grown) until they’re well into their 20s (22-25 is fairly normal).
And with that I mean responsible, emotionally stable, capable of living away from his parents and at least capable of growing a decent beard (ok, the capability to grow a decent beard is optional).
Except that they obviously aged her character. Just because Winona Ryder is 38 doesn’t mean her character was.
My point! And it wasn’t a really good make-up job either!
I actually didn’t realize it was her until the credits rolled. It still didn’t look like her the second time I saw it, though now knowing it was her I recognized the voice. I dunno, the part was so miniscule I don’t think it really mattered who played her…
Yep, pretty much. Blink and Amanda was gone. I don’t like that reality.
For that matter Jennifer Morrison isn’t even a whole year older than Chris Pine.
Logic fail. Jennifer Morrison played Winona as she was giving birth to Jim. You never saw her in the flash forward twenty-odd years.
We never saw Morrison in “old lady” makeup either. It’s a wash.
She may seem too young, but don’t vulcans have a longer life span?
Fail!! Spock’s mother was actually Human. (Can’t remember the surname, but I believe her first name is Amanda or something like that!!) Unless they’ve rolled over continuity again!! (Wouldn’t surprise me in the least
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I’d not swear to it that Amanda’s surname was ever mentioned in the show. After all, Vulcan’s don’t seem to use family names.
O/T, but I’m a Blake’s 7 fan too.
oh yeah…shut up
gosh and spocks like 100 or something!! I see your point!! :S
Can’t say its from the show but the book that ties in with the movie says her name is Amanda Grayson
Spock is related to Robin???!!!
She was married to Dennis Quaid at 13… so there
Now THERE’S a fantasy!
My grandmother had her first grandchild by the time she was 38.
teenage pregnancy, w00t
learn to use contraceptives
FAIL! I had a child at 14, and had never even considered contraceptives. WHY, you ask? Because I wasn’t a slut, and good girls don’t need birth control. Was raped on the way home from football practice, and kept her. She’s 8 now, and I’m 23, and I love her more than chocolate ice-cream. Don’t generalize. However, I know plenty of girls in the same school that were slutty enough to have had a few abortions before they graduated, but hey, at least they didn’t have kids, so that makes them better! /sarcasm/
I must apologize for my raving bitch moment there. What I was trying to say is that, whereas most teen pregnancies are due to lack of self-preservation, total sneaky dishonesty and cheap behavior, many girls, like myself, will be grandmothers at around 40, giving that we raise our children to be responsible enough to wait until they are old enough, stable enough and responsible enough to have children of thier own. Some of us are put into circumstances that in all reality *not in a therapists whining voice* are NOT our fault, and just did what we felt was right, even though it was a bit harder than going back to party with our friends. *end of psycho rant*
Sure you raise valid points, but I find this line insanely insulting “Because I wasn’t a slut, and good girls don’t need birth control” Plenty of good girls do use birth control. Grats.
She was being sarcastic. Hi5 for missing that.
While I applaud your decision to keep your baby — and admire the compassion and loving heart that it took to make that decision — yours is not a normal situation, and to have a child at that age and have both mother and child turn out healthy and emotionally stable is, unfortunately, exceedingly rare. So while it’s physically possible for a person of Ms. Ryder’s age to have a grown son, it _is_ fair to say that she’s ‘not old enough’ to do so, because it’s true. She’s not old enough to have a grown son. You weren’t old enough to have a child when you did. Not because you weren’t responsible enough, or loving enough, or anything like that… but rather, because such a situation should never have been forced upon a girl the age you were, which is something upon which I think everyone can agree. As you pointed out, it sometimes _is_, but it shouldn’t be, and it’s what ’should’ be that people are referring to when they make statements like the one that inadvertently hurt your feelings.
[loud applause]
Your case is the exception to this particular rule.
In general for someone to become a grandparent that young, we’re talking about multiple generations of babies having babies.
I think that’s the fail they were talking about.
Double FAIL!!
1) There are medical reasons other than preventing pregnancy for prescribing contraceptive medecines. Just ask any PHP.
2) No contraceptive other than sterilisation is 100%. “The Pill” normally comes close, but its effectiveness can be seriously degraded by low grade infections (usually self-limitting viruses).
…she’s only five years older than the guy who plays Spock. Does that make you feel less old?
Who did Ms. Ryder blow to get that job. Why did they not hire a real actress who was the right age for the job. They had to use makeup to make her look the right age. I’m still a bit WTF about her being in the movie.
My thoughts exactly – apart from that it was a great movie!
Wrong, it was almost a grat movie. The cast of the crew did a great job, the plot and story were awful. The people who wrote/produced/directed this have no idea what Gene Roddenberry was trying to accomplish with this show. If you’re a Star Wars fan you’ll love the mindless action and complete lack of logic, if you’re a true Trek fan you will both like and hate this movie, as we like action too, but we also like good stories and good motivations for the characters who have become like family to us. We need a reboot fo rthe reboot that fixes all the stupidity of this film and makes time travel impossible ever, ever again. JJ Abrams please keep your Star Wars out of my Star trek
I know plenty of Trekkies that had no real complaints.
But then, I suppose they are a rare breed of Trekkie.
They have lives.
squid, dude… did you even go back and read what you wrote? did you even watch TSO? or are you one of those people who watched every episode of TNG and then called yourself a fan…?! just because roddenberry writes something does not make it law… i mean, how many times did they change what warp 10 does? one time it was even thought that it takes you back in time… now they can go warp 13 without blinking… things change, even in roddenberry’s world. in TSO Kirk was wanted all over in several times… he must have time traveled in 15 different episodes. keep star wars out of your star trek? i almost laughed myself to tears.
the movie was genius imo, setting a new time line with which to launch a whole new series, and the perfect set up of characters to do it. i haven’t met a true trekie yet who says it’s a bad idea. in fact, the consensus i’ve been hearing through the grapevine is that it’s not only a good idea, it’s the freakin’ hope! afterall… ferengi rule of aquisition #13 says anything worth doing is worth doing twice
or in a trek fans case… eleventy billion times is just fine too.
*side note* trekie semantics can start a flame war, so let me just say i have no further intention to fuel it after this post.
Trek has been part of my life since 1967. Capt. Kirk was “The Man” as far as I was concerned & the crew of the Enterprise were almost family in my house. What’s with the insults Villy? FYI I moved out of my folks house when I was 18 and have had girfriends and everything ya dousche. I think the time travel stories have gotten out of hand is pretty much what I’m saying. I think it’s what killed Enterprise. If we can just be lazy and travel back in time we can make whatever changes we want than what’s the point of continuing the franchise? For the 40 and up crowd like myself, I think we liked the fact that there was a history (sometimes silly) to the future. I don’t feel the need to love everything Trek has done, IMO there are only 2 or 3 good movies tops, but I just think this story has way to many things that make absolutly no sense. Once again I think the actors nailed the roles pretty much, but the story was lame.
Villy, it’s obvious you don’t have any history with the series. Like Squid, Trek has been a part of my life for decades, I’ve seen every episode and movie, met the cast members over the years as well as it’s creator. What Rodenberry wrote carries weight because it was HIS universe and HIS creation. J.J. Abrams stated on Charlie Rose that he was never into “Star Trek” but a Star Wars fan and he was looking to make a movie that appealed to everyone (the masses). It’s all about money. You don’t take liberties with the series storyline and kill off Spock’s mom and destroy Vulcan. Even though the movie stands on its own as an action movie, and the cast did justice to the roles, the story was flawed. If Villy knew what Gene based Star Trek on then he would realize that this is not some short-lived saga like Star Wars.
Totally agree with you there :/ I wanted this movie to be kinda like a prequel to the original series, not some stupid alternate universe crap. AUs are almost as bad as dream sequences.
The cast was great though
Almost felt like I was watching the original crew when they were younger
They had to use makeup? In a movie? Egads!
Seriously, kill yourself, it would be the most positive thing you’ve ever done for humanity.
“Kill yourself”? Really? Stop being an asshole, czernobog. It’s as easy as turning off your computer.
Wow, mature AND intelligent! And to think I had the crazy idea that you were a douchebag….
what i dont get is why when spock was young they had her made up to look older?? she could have a young teen child surely she could have just looked normal? i mean yeah she was in her late 20s (or 20 depending on what website you read) when he was born but he would only have been 10 (i estimate) so she should have been fine just being her normal age.
I was thinking perhaps they had shot a scene with her when Spock was a little kid, but it got cut.
If that were the case, then it makes sense: They originally planned on having his mother show up at all stages of his life (not just when he went off to Starfleet or when she died). It’s easier to make a young person look old than the other way around.
That’s actually a very good point. I never thought of that but it would make sense.
They didn’t have to use -much- makeup…
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Wow, she actually looks her age. I think she’s still good looking.
Well if you consider that healthcare would hopefully be better in the future and thus your body would probably degrade less, you might look that young at the full grown child mother age…
Ah, good point.
And, of course, some people just look _young_, anyway. I have an aunt who’s over fifty who still regularly gets carded when she tries to buy alcohol, and hit on by people younger than her son. Having hit the age where I’m starting to feel a bit insecure about it, I sometimes can’t help but be exceedingly jealous… of course, the fact that she’s always been one of the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen doesn’t help (she looks a lot like Ms. Ryder, actually… same coloring, huge eyes, and pale skin), either.
Damn, what’s her number?
*cough*
I mean, I would share her with Lynn…
*coughcough*
Ahem, sorry. Meant to say, awesome for her. ^_^
Well, my uncle is likewise over fifty… and still lifts trees for a living. His chainsaw weighs 70lbs, and I’ve seen him heft it around one-handed like it was nothing. So… sure you want to risk it?
Yeah, this is true. Remember Dr. McCoy lived to be about 140, and Spock himself was still alive and very much kicking during TNG.
Sidenote for those considering the harsher world of Vulcan, she didn’t grow up there nor is is necessary that she spends all her time there. She is human and probably goes to visit relatives.
no old just weird.
How do you judge our age against an alien?
Never mind–brain fart of a night shift worker. I forgot he was only half vulcan.
Haven’t seen the movie yet, and was never enough of a geek to worry about canon or quote lines verbatim – but I thought Spock was nearly 100 years old (or maybe more) in TOS.
As an aside… I think Winona would make a better Vulcan than human -with our without makeup.
I’ve a notion you may be right, which of course would have made Amanda well over 120, because she had a PhD before she met Sarek.
I, too, was all WTF? when I saw Winona Ryder cast as Spock’s mom, but then when I saw what happened to her in the movie, I was all, “Best casting ever!”
I’m REALLY old.
I remember when Spock’s mom was played by Jane Wyatt. (or maybe it’s Jean Wyatt. Anyway, she used to play the mom on “Father Knows Best” many, many years ago when I was a child.)
Fuck! really?! REALLY?! i didnt even notice it…
that’s exactly what i thought when i saw her on screen. damn, i’m getting old.
The point is… that’s Winona Ryder. THE Goth/Gen-X girl of late 80s-early 90s. The sole enjoyment of watching Beetlejuice. The moral center of Heathers. If she’s at the stage in her career that she’s playing on-screen moms… sigh.
Yeah… I know what you mean. When one of the prettiest little goth girls ever is Spocks _mother_… I’m old. Old old old old old.
“The sole enjoyment of watching Beetlejuice.”
Don’t forget the Danny Elfman soundtrack. One of his three real classics, along with Batman and Edward Scissorhands.
So…Winona at 38 years old is Mother to 32 year old Quinto?
JUST ANOTHER VIOLATION OF CANON.
there is also a scene where spock is a young boy….its easier to age someone than to make them look older….
Spock’s mother is human.
And Vulcan is NOT a paradise by any means. It’s a desert world as harsh as SW’s Tatooine. She’d start looking older in the face (but not the eyes), even if the rest of medical technology kept her insides like that of a 30 year old until she hit 90.
IF you want a good comparisons about making peopel look older or younger, look how much better it worked for making Marty McFly’s Parents older in Back to the Future, as opposed to trying to make MJ Fox go the other direction for the 2 sequels.
The only problem I had with the movie (and I was born in 67 and grew up watching the series), was the exposition for Nero and the Black Hole. Supernovas MAKE Black Holes if a big enough star (or neutron Stars in most cases), so Romulus was doomed regardless, as it wouldn’t have a life-giving star to orbit, and even if it was in a binary system (with Romulus orbiting the smaller star), the supernova would have destabilized the comanion star, and the neutron star or black hole produce some much radiation for the next few TENS of THOUSANDS of years, to make the planet uninhabitable.
Everything else worked, as long as you ignore a lot of the junk that came from written sources (even official ones) outside the original series. Even the knowledge that Vulcans and Romulans were related (something not found out by Earth until well into the series) would have been a result of the Kelvin’s encounter with Nero, since Nero actually HAILED the Kelvin visually, not knowing where or when he was in the past (and probably touched off a bit of sabre-rattling and diplomacy between Romulus and the Federation, that would have opened both societies up a bit more, in cooperation for searching for this dangerous rogue with a super-ship).
Oh, and the events of the movie are actually a two-fold nightmare for a original universe Romulan -
Not only did it get Kirk’s crew together 5 or so years ahead of schedule (6 in the case of Chekov), Nero destroyed the homeworld (Vulcan) that the Romulans wanted BACK, not destroyed.
And, with older Spock apparently consulting Starfleet, consider how many near disasters of the 5-year mission will be averted… The Doomsday Machine, Daystrom’s M-5 fiasco, blundering into things like The Guardian, Trelayne, Apollo, etc.
Avoiding the diplomatic nightmares with the Cloud minders, the Ceres tribesmen, the psuedo-Romans, and more.
Approaching the Organians, Talosians and First Federation in a more diplomatic manner.
Dealing with such existant issues as the Iotian gangsters, the captain that remade a world in a Nazi image, the apparent alternate worlds of the post-nuclear American & chinese survivors and Miri, Landru, the worlds disintegrating populace in their simulated war – not to mention getting to that android world before Harry Mudd…
A person could have some serious fun contemplating “what-ifs” in this alternate reality…
My first thought was, what if Tuvok’s ancestors weren’t among the survivors?
We didn’t let ourselves look at casting before the movie, so afterwards we were all ‘Who did Winona Ryder play?” I voted for Spock’s mom, but I was still guessing.
Didn’t recognize her.
Ohhhhh so SHE was playing Spock’s mum… I saw her name in the credits but didn`t know who she played :B
The reason they cast a younger actress as Spock’s mom is because there were several scenes involving Spock’s childhood that have been cut, including a scene of his birth.
So yeah.
By the way, I’m 43, born in 1966 same year as the series!
I thought she did a lovely job ^_^ This re-boot should lead to some really interesting sequels, as Basara549 suggested. It wasn’t horrendously cheesy or painful to watch as many recent origin story films have been. Kudos to the writers. Please pen safely in the future, and don’t start down any slippery slopes for the sake of merchandising or kid-appeal.
I must admit when I realised Winona was playing Spoc’s mom I felt very old. I remember her from as far back as the likes of Beatle Juice and Heathers – both over 20 years old now!
Ever since Beetlejuice, i blame Winona Ryder for a lot of the women i’ve been attracted to or been involved with…but in a mostly good way…my favorite partner-in-crime looked a lot like her, only even more petite…and with a hell of an uppercut
Ok, put this in your pipe and smoke it:
Estelle Getty(b. 1923), the mother on Golden Girls, was a year YOUNGER than Bea Arthur (b. 1922), her daughter.
See, that’s what we call ACTING; when you pretend to be something that you actually aren’t. We call the people that do this successfully “ACTORS”.
Whoa… Somebody looked a lot younger than their age!
It was her makeup that made her a convincing 80 year-old.
She was a fine actress, and a funny little woman.
But no one would have “bought” her in that role without the makeup.
And to the young grandmothers comments:
In the film “Domino”, which is based on a true story, there is a 29-yr old grandmother. Was she a scriptwriting creation of fiction? Or did she really exist in real life?
The mind wobbles.
I hated that she got cast in this movie. That was my only casting-related gripe. I can’t watch Edward Scissorhands anymore because of her, and it was once among my favorite movies.
As for all the logic and story-related arguments going on… You do realise that this is a science fiction movie, right? That none of this actually happens? I wouldn’t worry so much over minor details like that. I mean, I never watched any of the original Star Trek series, so I don’t care as much as someone who’s been a hardcore fan, but I doubt even people that were directly involved with the original thing care this much, so why should you?
I loved her in Star Trek, hadn’t seen her for a while my bf didn’t think it was her til we saw her name in the credits at the end! I heart Star Trek I think i’ll definitely be one of the summer’s best!
GI Joe is yet to come out. D-9 as well. Dont be so quick with that gun.
Well. Ryder was born six years before Quinto. It’s Hollywood people, seriously now.
Wow folks, such “Serious business” today. or you guys could just enjoy the movie for what it is and stop picking it apart TO DEATH?!
No.
We’re Trekkies.
WE’RE SUPPOSED TO NITPICK!!!
OMG OMG Do you realize there’s no Gary Mitchell in this movie!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA gasp pause deep breath AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Haven’t any of you made a mistake that you desperately wanted to be forgiven for and then being allowed to let it go?
Winona got caught and convicted of a little shop lifting and for this she is hounded for the rest of her life?
LET IT GO! good christian folks. She did her time. It was done in her youth. Twenty years is just too long to be convicted over and again.
Like anyone had even mentioned shoplifting before you did.
ST canon nitpicking yes, but that’s a whole other issue.
She did a great job and it was a very small role.