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Fascinating… it was a good Star Trek movie.
But I… was not…. in it.
That would be why, Jim.
(Leonard Nimoy, William Shatner and DeForest Kelley)
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No, it wasn’t… it was watchable for a standard sci-fi action flick, but it ruined good canon and had non of the spirit and message that truly made Star Trek.
…there, had to be said.
Agreed.
It seems like Paramount said “Hey! Prequels worked great for Star Wars, Lets to it too!” but they can’t seem to get through their skull “You don’t introduce NEW stuff in Prequels!” Enterprise and the New Star Trek Movie shows this.
The movie was advertised as “See how it all started” and “See their first adventure”… that is not what was given. If anything this movie was a sequel to the TNG time line where Spock starts a new alternate time line by changing history.
Inever heard anything saying see how it started or actually stating it was a prequel. I heard it stating it was a Reboot, which means they can do whatever the heck they want.
Indeed, it was an AU…sort of gave them free range.
Are you seriously suggesting the SW prequel didn’t introduce new stuff?
I’ve been a fan of ST since the original series, I’ve seen all of the spinoffs and the movies. I wasn’t sure if this new film was going to be up to much – I normally dislike ‘prequels’ or anything like that. But this new film was FANTASTIC in my own opinion. I enjoyed it so much I went to see it again. I think it didn’t spoil any canon in the least and didn’t skimp on characterisation.
I know there are many people who will vehemently dislike me for this, but I didn’t mind the “reboot.” Through the several series, there were so many plot inconsistencies and instances of revisionist history (especially in Next Gen) that it’s almost a relief to see things being redone. The action was a little boring to me at times too, needlessly repetitive, but the story was still creative and the characters fairly true to original intent. It was also not so pacifist. Anyway, I’ll stop now before I hit three thousand words.
I agree, it certainly isn’t canon, but they at least do admit it is what happened. I went in expecting a horrible movie with messed up characters, but they did good at keeping the people who they’re supposed to be. This movie was epic, not canon, but still epic in my opinion.
I agree. I saw the movie last night and I’d give it maybe 3 out of 10. This change in timeline has merely opened the door for them to change the entire star trek canon, and change it’s theme from creative, thoughtful stories to mindless, frenetic, senseless action.
Before the movie started, they showed trailers for G.I. Joe and the new Transformers movie – and all three movies had the same thing in common – I think all their directors desperately need to go on Ritalin.
Changing the “canon” is common though. They do it all the time with comic book films.
It was those two trailers in my theatre too. And what were they about?
An aircraft carrier exploding and the Statue of Liberty collapsing in green mush.
Now, let’s compare Star Trek’s trailer, hmm?
A car going off a cliff for no reason, a ship coming out of warp to phaser fire and explosions, and an angry guy shouting “FIRE EVERYTHING!”
Now, where in these three movies is there any mention of plot?
It’s just just a trend in movies. In video games, I call this the Homeworld effect. Homeworld was a space game with good visuals, but a crappy and nonexistant storyline. Similar story with World in Conflict. It’s not that people CAN’T make good stories anymore, it’s that people judge games by their covers/movies by their trailers, and cool graphics make for cool covers and trailers.
Those were the same trailers I saw, too. So noisy.
So…I’m confused. You’re judging the movie’s merit on it’s trailer? Isn’t that sort of setting yourself up for disappointment? Christ, if I judged Frequency by it’s trailer, that I would have dismissed it as stupid and lame, and I would have been dead wrong.
I’ll be the first to admit, the movie has it’s flaws, but it is by NO means a bad movie. The story is cookie cutter revenge and depends on a LOT of coincidence, but it’s engaging and well executed unless you’re the kind of person who think Trek’s “canon” is infallible despite glaring evidence to contrary and it’s to be revered as you would a historical text. Those seem to be the only people I’ve heard complain. I do find it funny that someone actually said these actors dont have charisma. I mean, seriously. They seem to have enough to bring in a bunch of non fans and turn a bunch of older fans to liking it. If not for the charisma of the actors, people would be less willing to look past the things asked of the audience to accept.
Translation:
“Where are the analog dials and toggle switches? I wanted analog dials and toggle switches! Who cares that they don’t use them any more in 2009? They’ll made a comeback in 250 years, I’m sure of it!”
Aaaand, in the very first post you said exactly what a lot of Star Trek fans were thinking when they saw this razzi.
See what can be accomplished when people actually write something worthwhile for the first post rather than just saying “first post”?
Actually, very few Star Trek fans were saying that by the time the credits rolled. Certainly none of the 300 or so I went with. Twice.
And those who do still say that never seem to have any good arguments to back it up.
It didn’t have to stick to the canon as it was a reboot, not a continuation, and all this film did was breathe some much-needed life into a stale franchise.
Yes! Exactly! I wonder what the chances are that now they will give us a new series…
fanboy.
It is a great flick and it “ruined” canon on purpose (they didn’t screw up) so they can launch a new tv series. This will allow the franchise to continue but not have to go by the old trek history which has so much content it is more limiting then anything else.
I LOVED the new movie. I’ve never been a Star Trek fan, in fact I hated it but this movie made me a Treky. ::bows to the Trek::
No, you are not a Trekkie, you are a wana-be, now go die in a corner.
fascinating. *giggle*
A little violent, but Am I Missing is kinda right. I don’t think you’re a proper Trekkie unless you’ve seen the original, TNG, the millions of movies, and at least a few of the fifty other tv show spinoffs.
..or possibly can at least spell “Trekkie” correctly.
I knew this would happen. Like after “Across the Universe” people were running around saying they were Beatles fans when they had Hey Jude, Let It Be, Strawberry Fields Forever, and maybe Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds on their iPod.
I agree with you their Lily. I’ve been by Star Trek and the Beatles since birth and it’s just an insult that all the new fans are immediately calling themselves Trekkies in the case of Star Trek. They’re newbs, not full blown fans.
Wow, annnngry elitist trekkie is elitist.
And angry, of course.
And angry, yes. Thank you.
You’re quite welcome, my good man.
Or woman. No offense. It’s hard to tell on the web.
He/she’s an Ageless, Faceless, Gender-Neutral, Culturally-Ambiguous Web Surfer. Call him/her AFGNCAWS.
I AM INSANE WITH ANGER! =D
Double dumbass to you!
Maybe he’s doing too much L.D.S!
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Or would that be the group without the Watchtower????
Are you sure it isn’t the time for a colorful metaphor?
thats exactly how i feel! my mom was a treky and my dad was a star wars fanatic and i always chose the star wars, but this movie has completely changed my mind!
I agree. This movie sucked. I’m sorry but only one movie has gotten space-time continuum paradoxes even remotely right. Unfortunately this one wasn’t it.
That movie would be “Back to the Future”?
Bill and Ted’s excellent adventure.
Yeah you’re right. I mean, where were the stiff, boring fighting scenes starring pudgy old men that the original Trek had? Where were the rubber foreheads and the cheap makeup? This Kirk was hardly the unlikely womanizer that Shatner portrayed and what was with Uhura actually having a job bigger than that of a receptionist? Not to mention the chemistry and charisma the actors brought to the screen….
Once again, I <3 this comment!
I <3 Jane.
Ouch… I actually liked Kirk and the aging Kirk.
Aw, I love Shatner too, I just find the level of debate going on extremely humorous. Especially when one remembers some of the ridiculous fight scenes in the original series. I think some people want to hate the new movie as a way to demonstrate their trekkie snobbery, kind of like how I rip on the Harry Potter movies for not being as good as the books. However, it’s possible to love the old series and movies for what they were, and like the new movie for what it is without suffering a conflict of interest.
Mmm, oh and since I forgot, I will state my view on old school Uhura.
Class, poise, style. She was strong and independent but she didn’t see the need to beat you with it to prove it. I haven’t watched the series in over a decade but I have seen the old movies in recent memory. Uhura always had a soft strength that was amazing to me.
She was sweet, playful, and clever as hell. I personally love how she helped them steal the ship to get back Spock. Okay, turning off geekness. /geek
And so they had that skinny little 16 year old play her in the movie.
*facepalm*
I have to disagree about the Uhura thing. She had the same job in the original as she did in the movie. The difference was that in the original she was simply a professional doing her job correctly because she was a Starfleet officer. Her being a woman was not really a discussion. IN the movie she could not be simply a professional but instead had to have a love entanglement tacked onto her and all of the emotional nonsense that “all women are weakened by”. If you ask me this movie was sexist and did Uhura’s character a disservice.
And of course, you needed time parodoxes, a retarded plot, and an alternate history to fix all that. -.-
chemistry? charisma? The characters were little more than “charactures”. They avoided the original series “background characters” problem by making them all over-the-top catchline-filled amusement-fodder.
The new Star Trek was entertaining enough to watch – but it was mindless and crudely done. Even the flashiness will wear off once the current fad for frenetic action and headache-inducing camera-work fails. It was just a stereotypical late 2000s blockbuster, and that is not a good thing. It was what “Nemesis” tried to be.
My comment is from the other point of view. I AM a trekkie, and I also LOVED this film.
Canon, as the real Nimoy said, is full of minutia. Keep in mind, this show started in a very different culture with all sorts of limitations– minorities, the domination of the western, tv sponsors. Roddenberry himself said it never was all he wanted to be.
This film does change the timelines of the orginal series, yes. And that PRESERVES canon for those who want to keep that. This is a new universe, with different aspects of the characters to develop. And it also lets them make new sets with better special effects and more realism to the technology. Floppy disks, anyone?
I for one love the homage to the classic canon they left in (no spoilers) and I also feel that most of the changes they made only more fully develop the characters, keeping true to their spirits and basic personalities, but adding skills and more fully developing personality and history.
and if we look at what happened when they ‘rebooted’ Dr. Who, another old canon sci fi show, and even Battlestar Galactica, it is something that we old school fans can see will bring us only more opportunities to see more of the show and the characters we enjoyed before.
Agreed. ‘Nuff said.
I’ll drink to that. Romulan ale, anyone?
Here, here! Pass the Romulan ale!
*burp* Make a note to the galley – Romulan Ale not to be served on diplomatic functions.
*Takes a drink and begins singing* Roll out the barrel, we’ll have a barrel of fun! Roll out the barrel, we’ve got the blues on the run…!
(Wow, that’s an old song. It came out of WWII)
Ah come on, you need to make the distinction between revitalising a concept (as in the old star trek) and completely reformatting. I’m not even going to touch the storyline… the main thing that didn’t make it trek is that it didnt pay much respect to the designs that we’ve already been shown. Yes, they were made in the 60’s with limited equipment, but that doesn’t mean to say that such equipment has to be represented in exactly the same way without looking remotely similar.
Instead, we got transparent glowy futuristic panels thats way beyond any type of interface we’ve seen previously. In interviews JJ did about the film, he said there were a few things he would have changed. I think this is something that should have been respected.
I am a fan of later star trek, particularly Voyager. I’ve never really been a fan of the original series, but I still don’t think that gives anyone the right to reinvent so much of it.
Bones was the only really good character IMHO… scotty was awful. Uhura as well… she had much more class as an older lady, it’s like they are two seperate characters.
I think this film should be considered “a different perspective” like an alternate timeline. If they make successive films based on this format it can have its own new style, and thats fine. But I don’t think it should be called Star Trek.
But it is an alternate time line and they stated that pretty darn clearly. But what would you have them call it? Really, it’s kind of like a fanfiction. You can’t call it anything else because it uses pre-established characters and saying that it’s something else would get even more fans riled up about copy write and whatnot.
Well sure, I’m not trying to get into that… I’m just saying I think it doesn’t really deserve the name because everything IMHO that made it Star Trek was either poorly represented or not present.
Even the beaming sequence – you saw Spock use it… that looked nothing at all on earth liked the TOS technology – and even in 1997 when the DS9 crew revisited the past, they still used the same representation, trying to keep it canon.
I wonder how many of Star Trek’s original producers were involved in the making of this film really…
Small point to make: The “glowy futuristic panels” were, at least in part, an outgrowth of modern heads-up display technology. A logical progression.
The new who isn’t a reboot, it’s a continuation
This.
Flawless victory.
Enjoyed the movie, hated the stupid “alternate universe” crap. Just an excuse to make more movies without having to rely on the original canon. I suppose it’s just as well – I really didn’t want to see a remake of “The Trouble with Tribbles” anyway.
Now see, the “alternate universe crap” was, to me, a device used to insure that this film and any sequels would not be *constrained* by the original cannon. I’m no trekkie, and chances are tons of people who went to see this movie and are going to see this movie aren’t ether; what this does is allow the franchise to continue selling to these new fans (for I would say anyone who wasn’t a hardcore trekkie alienated by the changes to the franchise who say this is almost CERTAINLY a fan of the series now) without forcing them to shift through tos, tng, and etc. to understand just what the heck is going on.
If you want an example of how good this movie is, take my sisters: they’ve never seen star trek in their lives and were not even the slightest bit interested in the franchise. We all went to see this movie and now they want to become trekkies; they’re now trying to secure the entire first season of the next generation.
I *do* consider myself a trekkie (I’ve been watching since I was about 5 years old, and the only one I didn’t watch every episode of was Enterprise), and I agree completely. Before the movie came out, I saw people analyzing the trailers and talking about how Kirk shouldn’t have been able to drive a stick. I, for one, couldn’t care less about that. There is simply so much of that kind of stuff that they would have to tiptoe around if they hadn’t come up with the “alternate universe crap” that I have a hard time seeing how they could have satisfied everybody. Plus, at some point they really would have had to just make exact copies of the original episodes, which would have had to be exactly the same or people would be screaming about canon even more. I’d much rather have an alternate universe where they can actually explore things we don’t know than have them sticking completely to the things we already do know.
So do a “Mirror Universe” series; you can do pretty much anything you like then without breaking canon.
the movie was great and ho wuld have been captain with out him? he was great id10t
It’s referring to William Shatner, not Kirk himself.
I know, what a terrible Star Trek movie! Where was the heavy handed moral message being beat into our skulls? Where was the lame, unfunny humor? Where was the boring action that was in every movie except Wrath of Khan? Where was the hour and a half of discussing things instead of doing something? This is TOTALLY not Star Trek!
Thank God.
Thank The Onion for comments like these, I love that video, but it is going to stop being funny very soon
Just because the Onion says it doesn’t make it any less accurate.
Seconded. I think everyone (including me) made this joke but direct quotations of the video without props? That equals fail.
The humor-impaired shouldn’t get to decide what’s funny or lame. kthx?
Yeah, I really liked this film. I’d only ever seen “First contact” before so I didn’t know much about Star Trek, being a too young to have seen it…. I liked Star Wars (well, III to VI) and I thought “Star Trek” was a film as fun as the old Star Wars but as good-looking as the new ones… I may not be a proper trekkie but I thought it was a really engaging, enjoyable movie…
If children like you are our future… I can see why some one decided to write the terminator series.
Yeah, I’d so rather children grow up to tell strangers on the internet to “go die in a corner”. What’s the matter, did your mom not bring a hot pocket down into your basement “bachelor pad” today, troll?
Like I said, were screwed. HAHAHA!
DAMN… meant to put a Mua- at the start of that.
That would be a “yes” to Jane, apparently.
Look, what’s the matter? I liked a film that you didn’t… What’s wrong with that?
Well, it’s the internet. He can make snide, smug remarks like that with no retribution, so he’s going to act high and mighty, talking like you’re lesser than him, despite the fact that he’s on the internet telling people to die in corners and saying they’re the decline of civilization because they dared have an opinion different than his. You see, that is a physical coward who needs to take their frustrations out somewhere, and why not the internet? No one can harm them here.
Ah very true, very true, thank you…
I was never into Star Trek, but my dad very much is. We saw the movie together, and we both loved it. I knew enough about the original to find the revamp interesting, and the references funny. My dad thought the upgraded technology was refreshing, and pointed out the references I didn’t understand.
So, we have someone who doesn’t know about Star Trek who loved it, and someone who grew up with Star Trek who loved it. It wasn’t supposed to be a “perfect remake”. It was supposed to be a new spin on it, the canon was SUPPOSED to change. You guys need to stop being stuck-up elitist snobs and watch the movie with open minds.
I grew up watching the old movies (sorry just young enough to miss the original series) and watching TNG and Voyager.
And the new movie is the best thing about Star Trek I’ve ever seen.
Sure the old ones had their own charm to them and all. But the new one is what I was always wanting for in a Star Trek movie. Great action, good humor, decent storyline. Everything.
I loved this movie, and the room full of Trekkies was funny too.
Seriously, this one buy behind my friend and I laughed like a hyena, and we were trying not to bust out laughing during a really serious, quiet part of the movie.
Oh snap!!
Hey ya know what, I’m a big trekkie, been watching (at least as far back as I can remember) since I was 5 and I liked this movie. I thought they actually got good all round acting and they didn’t really do it a huge disservice because it was an alternate time line and as you know, anything goes in the alternate time line. The only thing I didn’t really like was how forced the classic lines were and how they turned Chekov from a funny character into a teeth grinding cringer. *shudders* no more W’s in place of other letters please….
The new Chekov is a real Russian- I suspect that would make the accent much more authentic than the original… but completely impossible to understand.
I might be wrong, but I believe the actor who played Chekov, though Russian, does not have an actual accent as he grew up in the US. He was imitating the Polish-sounding accent of the original actor who played Chekov. Now ending geek rant.
If Wikipedia is to be believed: Anton Viktorovich Yelchin
March 11, 1989 (1989-03-11) (age 20)
Leningrad, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Yelchin
“Yelchin’s family moved to the United States in September 1989, receiving status as refugees from political and religious oppression.”
Like I said, he was Russian but grew up in the US. Were you arguing with me?
Nope, not arguing, just trying to be clear on where he was born. I had heard he was a real russian, just confirming or denying. He should be able to do a good Russian accent (from his parents) though, right?
Indeed; I believe it was in homage to the original character.
Gee, you blow up one ship and:
The Captain fails to get a single girl the whole show (nearly gets the green girl but ends up hiding under a bed from Uhura!!! Seriously!?)
Spock turns into an illogical emotional wreck with a smirk on his face throughout the whole movie,
Sulu is all of a sudden South Korean,
Chekov is even less coherent than before, and Uhura turns from a woman of grace and class into a ‘Space Tart” that sucks face with (of all people) Spock in transport tubes (at this point in the movie I involuntarily said “WRONG!!!” out loud). But, HEY- all is forgiven in an alternate universe…right?… RIGHT???
Exactly
Not to mention apparently the destruction of that ship also allowed technology to grow by leaps and bounds.
The best scenes were with Kirk and Bones… especially when he snuck him onto the Enterprise- I about fell out of my chair laughing. 
I will say I was impressed with the FX.
The only main characters who didn’t seem to be out of character in one way or another were Bones (he was spot on- and a TOTAL riot!), Scotty (he was definitely young and in love with the Enterprise), and well, of course Spock “Prime” was well, Spock.
Agreed. It was a good film, but it just wasn’t part of the name.
I would probably go see a sequel. I would just have to keep reminding myself that it is an ‘alternate time-line’ and see if I can keep from hurling when Uhura ‘trollips out’ again or has ‘unladylike ‘tude”, I was irritated that Spock was even ‘dating’ because, technically he’s married… isn’t he? The tradition of parents pairing up the young for mating on Vulcan is thousands of years old…or did Sarak defy that ancient ‘logical’ tradition too?
Woah woah woah. I take issue with you calling Uhura a tart. I may have not seen a lot of the original star trek, but come on, she was a RECEPTIONIST. You think this Uhura wasn’t a feminist icon? Come off it. She wasn’t a tart, she just had a boyfriend. Also, they originally didn’t want to cast Cho as Sulu because he was South Korean, but George Takei said they should do it because Sulu was supposed to represent all of Asia, not half Japanese, half Filipino Asians. Aaaand I’m glad I didn’t have to watch Kirk sleep with a million different women. I don’t really want to watch a movie about his collection of space STD’s.
As for Spock, I think they were playing up his human side and showing that the Spock that comes later is a result of all of the stuff that’s happened to him–the logical side didn’t just happen.
The new Uhura certainly didn’t act like the true soft spoken gentle soul and dignified lady that was an integral part of the original character’s personality. Uhura was the linguistics/communications expert. Of course Uhura was a feminist icon, the first woman (as well as being African American) in a command position in the military portrayed on television- she got to her position because she was extremely talented and smart and the best person for the job regardless of her gender or ethnic background. She was also a classy lady. She would not have kissed ANYONE in the transport tubes- let alone THROWN herself at Spock. It wasn’t just the new Uhura’s kissing Spock in the tubes, but also her attitude that was off- snappy-quips, cutting Kirk to the quick in a bar, demanding Spock assign her to the Enterprise and overall ‘tude. By comparison, she was a tart. Alternate time line…I will live with it, but it still makes my stomach turn. :-p
I am not saying that Cho was a bad idea, I liked him. And I am glad that Takei approves. I am saying that it is one of the inconsistencies that the ‘alternate time line’ has to explain.
Kirk randomly hitting on women with bad lines…and not one of them was even a good attempt- I suppose this can be a case of him eventually ‘turning into’ our Kirk. Also the original series said he was a “serious bookworm” at the academy. ‘Alternate time line’ again…
As for ‘playing up’ Spock’s human side, alright, but he would have hid it better, he wants to be seen as a Vulcan. The original series has Spock revealing his human side bit by bit to Kirk. That aside, Spock was an honorable Vulcan, he would never have cheated on T’pring to whom he was bonded to as a child. I guess that is ‘alternate time line’ too.
I stand by my initial assessments.
It seems to me that Uhura was Spock’s girlfriend prior to the incident in the tube. His comment about not wanting to be accused of favoritism makes that clear. So she wasn’t throwing herself at him. Instead, she waited until they were in private to be affectionate and comforting, knowing that he would not be comfortable with it otherwise.
First, the tubes are not ‘private’ as shown by tons of episodes where people get on and off the tubes in the middle of conversations that have to stop and wait for it. Essentially, it is making out in a highly traveled elevator- during an emergency.
Second, yes they were dating, the vague favoritism comment earlier was confusing until the embarrassing tube scene. Not that it makes a difference, the original Uhura would not have ‘comforted’ Spock by grabbing his face planting a big kiss on it- she is a communications expert, she would have COMMUNICATED with him in a gentle and understanding manner. Also a lady would not force an intimate moment on someone. Maybe her flaws with communications will be repaired with experience, but ladylike behavior is usually instilled in childhood. What I am saying is that SHE would not have been comfortable having an intimate moment in the tubes.
She CLEARLY stops the tube. Making it a private moment not to be interrupted. How can you say with any certainty what a fictitious character you did not create and only judge on a limited value would or would not have done?
I was just wondering… You seem to have more of an issue with the fact that they kissed in the tubes rather than with the kiss itself. Why is that?
It puts both of them out of character. Spock because he is dating/kissing someone not T’pring- or whoever he is supposed to be bonded to in this time-line. Uhura because she was displaying unladylike behavior. AND it was done in a rather public place (you can’t tell me that they don’t have security cameras in elevators in this universe).
You make some good points there. I just figured they’d stopped between decks. I’m not sure what they did with the betrothal in this timeline, but originally Roddenberry et al weren’t too careful about Spock and his romantic activities either. In fact, there was a certain amount of hinting between Spock and Uhura, even though it was really low key. Okay, I’m getting really far off topic here, I’ll stop now. It’s just nice to actually see thoughtful discourse about the movie rather than kneejerk reactions.
“Uhura turns from a woman of grace and class into a ‘Space Tart” that sucks face with (of all people) Spock in transport tubes”
So funny, yet so true. I was like “o.e” when Spock’s planet gets sucked away, so Uhura decides that the best way to comfort Spock is to make out with him. The original Uhura may have just been a “receptionist” like someone here said, but the new Uhura’s a hussy.
Oh come on!! Who hasn’t wanted to see Spock get some. Its an alternate universe any way, and what, might I say a brillient change up! And just because a lady has a heart doesn’t mean she’s a tart! Further, who’s to say earth morals drawn from a christian system apply to a person from another planet and different belief system?? Yo! Loosen up.
You can have ‘a heart’ and still be classy and discreet (as Nichelle Nicholes portrayed her). Yes, I believe that was my point- one destroyed ship and she is a COMPLETELY different person… not just a young inexperienced version of herself ala alternate timeline. I make no judgment of her or Spock’s morals and behavior except for what I had seen in the series. BTW: Uhura is from the United States of Africa and speaks Swahili.
She acted more like a young, intelligent woman we’d see in the 2000’s. I didn’t think she was a “tart” or that she was unsophisticated…. She didn’t seem inexperienced either. It was obvious she was a top officer.
Okay, okay. Just one more. Now I swear I’ll be quiet. Though Nichelle Nichols’ portrayal of Uhura was wonderful, she sure wasn’t always completely. Not even talking about the fan dance, here. I’m talking about the somewhat abusive mocking of Charlie X via song. I mean, the kid was seriously messed up in the head and hurting, and she’s singing about him? That’s not nice at all.
(meant to say “wasn’t always completely ladylike”)
That episode was f’ed up. The entire thing was just weird.
Oh, yes, classy and discreet:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=uhura+star+trek+5&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=uhura+star+trek+#q=uhura+dance&hl=en&emb=0
She’s always been hot, in her miniskirt and boots. And I love the idea that she and Spock have obviously had an ongoing secret relationship. No wonder Kirk can’t even get her first name! Makes sense, too, that the “inferior genes” boy wouldn’t have been Vulcan marriage material.
And I wouldn’t call myself a trekkie-by-choice, but in some families you’re just expected to watch ALL the episodes…
Yes, I remember the dance, it was a ‘trap’ she set- probably dreamed up by one of the men. And had she not been a discrete person she would have flashed them and yelled ‘come and get it baby’ (the censors would have had a FIT). Sexy without showing anything- fandances, very old fashioned alluring. For all we know, she was fully dressed behind those fans, except for her bare legs.
Mini-skirt and boots were the uniform- ALL of the women wore them on the ship- it was considered ‘regulation’.
In the original, Spock was ‘marriage material’- he was bonded to T’Pring- she just wanted to be with someone else (name is escaping me at the moment).
I do not remember the Charlie X mocking… anyone have a vid?
I think I would be highly entertained by your family.
It’s called a trap and tell me one thing she actually revealed.
A woman kisses her boyfriend in a moment of desperation and it makes her a hussy?
You’re dealing with much younger versions of these character. Bones was of an age and maturity that he would naturally be at a sort of attitude and stasis of personality where he didnt have to grow too much. But the rest of them are young and fresh out of the academy. In the original series, Uhura was, what? in her thirties? Can you honestly say you are the same person at 30 something as you were in your mid twenties? Hell, it goes for almost everyone. Kirk’s had a different upbringing thanks to Kelvin going down, so his take on life and methods of fraternization are going to be different, Spock is still a young man who hasnt quite gotten reign over the two sides of his personality, and as for Sulu…come on. You have a problem with his RACE in the Asian culture? Grasping at straws much?
I told myself that over and over during the movie- they are ‘young versions of themselves’- ‘not fully developed into their characters’ however, while I can see Kirk turning into the Captain we know and make jokes about, Chekov getting more coherent, and Scotty being even more in love with the Enterprise, (and well, MAYBE Spock will be able to gain control again… but tons of people have now seen him be openly irrational and emotional…there’s a genie out of the bottle you can’t put back) I do not see Uhura turning from a snippy quip-cracking openly-hostile and ‘grab a man’s face and suck on it in desperation’ aggressive girl into a demure first-class in caliber and quality lady (you can’t put that Genie back into the bottle either). Class and grace does not ‘come to you’ in your 20’s and 30’s but it is in your upbringing.
Apparently you didn’t read the rest of this conversation. I don’t have a problem with him or his nationality- I am saying it is now a DIFFERENT nationality… Alternate time line….Alternate time line…Alternate time line makes everything all right… right?????
That’s your druthers if you don’t see it happening. But, unfortunately, you’re entire ranting and raving on the subject is based all around assumption and a dated, slightly misogynistic view on the term “lady like”. You think that simply because, in your perception a character like Spock could not possibly grow into what we’ve known previously, that it can’t happen. You’re wrong. You think Uhura will remain a young woman in attitude the rest of her life. You’re wrong. Just because people have gained one perception of the character, does not mean that can’t be challenged. We’ve never seen Uhura in any sort of love before. I mean, you really harp on this whole demure “first class” lady thing, yet ignore the half naked fan dance she willingly does, or the way she talks to and pets Scotty in Star Trek V. You seem to regard her talking back to the likes of an obnoxious, arrogant Jim Kirk as somehow less than demure. You really do seem to have built your hate up against this movie and are looking for any reason to reinforce it. I can tell you, I’ve seen a drastic change in friends from their early-mid twenties to when they reach their 30’s, especially those in some form of military. Right now, Uhura is a confident, inexperienced young woman. She’s brassy and not afraid to talk back. Years in service will change that quite a bit. There are many roads this can take, but you’ve chosen to cling to the irrational belief that these characters just stopped maturing before the movie began. You also choose your words to make it seem like her kiss was wrong. In the tube, the person she was in love with just witnessed his world be destroyed, and suddenly she’s a hussy for kissing him for some sort of comfort. Now, I suppose that goes with the whole joke about how old trek rambled on and on rather than did anything. In old trek they’d have had a 40 minute conversation on making him feel better. And the kiss toward the end of the movie had spock, again, the man she’s currently with, going off, possibly never to return. Are you so blind the even consider that either of these kisses might be a natural response for a woman?
You are completely missreading me. I never said I disliked the movie, let alone ‘hated’ it. I actually liked most of the movie- and said I might even see the sequel. I found it very entertaining (especially the Bones and Kirk getting onto the Enterprise- and the FX) I just said that the ‘alternate time line’ makes somethings not quite line up- and I said it with my acerbic wit (get a sense of humor).
Uhura having a sense of humor and a sense of her own sensual abilities as she ages does not mean she was abrasive/aggressive alpha-female as a 20-something. I mean, what could possibly happen to her that would turn this brash young snap-back and bite your head off aggressive 21st century female into a demure self-effacing… never mind, apparently you never saw her in the original Star Trek TV shows. Actually it is more like she was coming out of her shell in the movies with NN. If I remember correctly, the fan dance was a distraction that was to be used to tactical advantage- she did her job in a unique way. (FYI, I never called New Uhura a hussy- that was someone else up there- tart, yes… hussy, no
) The tube is not a private place, even with the tube stopped (security cameras). I am not blind, the kiss was wrong. Sure that could be a natural reaction for a woman. I am saying it would have been out of character for the not aggressive original Uhura to grab his face and shove a kiss on to it.
In an interview in 2008: “In the show Nichelle believes that Uhura was probably closest to the character of Spock although there were only hints of that on camera.
She says: “I created a relationship between Uhura and Spock as being her mentor and the person she looked up to. Uhura was the only one who could play the Vulcan lyre and the only one who had the audacity to sing a song teasing Spock.” ”
(alternate time line… alternate time line… alternate time line)
I also said that I agree that they are not completely developed into the characters we know and love and that I kept telling myself this throughout the movie.
p.s. I am not ranting. You are reading into it. If I were really ranting there would be frowny faces and ‘grr’s’ and ‘AAAUUUUGGGGHHH’s’ and ‘rant rant rant’ everywhere. I am trying to convince myself that ‘alternate time line’ solves these discrepancies.
I believe you are very wrong. As a teenager I was hell. Its what girls do. However I believe that I have class and grace now. AGE changes people. I was raised as a hick who towed the line. teenager i was very irrational and now i believe i have good manners and civility that i would not have had when i was younger. I thought it made sense
But Uhura wasn’t a teenager or shouldn’t have been… She was a grown woman last I checked.
This was exactly my reaction. :/
Ellipses to indicate pauses – genius! I can hear Shatner saying it in my head. It’s a win, regardless of anyone’s opinion of the movie.
i’m a dyed-in-the-wool trekkie who studies the ship’s technical manual, and i loved what they did with EVERYTHING in this movie. as well, this movie has turned 3 of my non-trekkie friends into fiends who are insisting we netflix the series and watch it together. what’s not to love about all that??
I suppose a good analogy would be music remixes. If you happen to like a fresh breath on something you used to like, fair enough. A lot of people think (rightly or wrongly) that a remix detracts from the original version.
Your either in one camp or the other.
I am an old Trekkie and I love Kirk by William Shatner. I saw all the original TV show, movies spin offs and went to two conventions. I met James doohan and Nichelle Nichols, Shatner, Takai, Koenig and BONES! Along with other cast members. Ah youth. Anyway, I never got in to Deep Space 9 but I did watch most of the Captain Pickard version of things. My favorite will always be the original. I’d like to meet Nemoy one day but he is usually shy of fan based things. I don’t blame him. Having said all that, I thought I was going to hate this movie. I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it. Ok Kirk looks a little more like Jimmy Olsen then I like but he did a decent job. The Spock meeting himself was a bit weird too but over all it was a fun ride, Lots of humor too!
Deforest Kelly was the man who played Bones, btw.
Thanks for defending Shatner. I loved Kirk played by Shatner. He was a go getter from the start then a old hero dealing with slowing down. Kirk was conflicted at the end, wanting to bow out gracefully while simultaneously wanting to jump into the captain chair and bark orders.
Now I want to watch the original movies again…
Should be “…it was a good odd-numbered Star Trek movie.”
What? A good odd-numbered Trek film? It defies all logic!!!
Well, the last one was an even-numbered one and it stank! Oh gawd, I haven’t seen the new one yet, but it has to better then Nemesis. Nemesis almost killed my love for the franchise, and I LOVE the Next Generation. A steaming pile of dog shit piled on a model of Enterprise-C would be better then Nemesis. I’d rather watch Encounter at Farpoint on a loop for 24 hours, then to see Nemesis again.
*shudders*
That superstition died with Star Trek Nemesis.
And I for one liked Generations, though the likes of the one do not indicate the likes of the many.
I liked Generations too! It may not have been the best, but it certainly isn’t bad.
Actually, I think the reason most people don’t like Generations is because it was released like two months after Next Gen went of the air, and ‘All Good Things…” was still very fresh in peoples minds. “All Good Things…” is a hard act to follow up, and because Generations was like the real finale to the series, it failed to live up to many peoples expectations. That and Kirk died. I think a lot of people hate it just for that.
Yaaaa, especially since one would think Kirk would get a burial at home instead of resigned to a shallow grave on a random planet. But in Picard’s circumstance, I can’t say I would have done much better. He did have other things to worry about and for all we know, wrote a touching memo to Starfleet marking the location and getting him a proper burial.
I miss DeForest Kelley…
I look at the, so-called, trek movie the same way I did the mission impossible flicks… It was a really bad idea that just happens to have the same name as the one worth watching.
I have seen all of the episodes of all of the trek series and all of the movies yet I don’t consider myself a treckie. I love Sci-Fi, however, I am not a treckie because treckies are like the old hardcore conservative republicans of the Sci-Fi genre. Any hint of a change and they get all defensive and wont even try to accept a change in the status quo. Star Trek tended to use the same tired storylines over and over again and yet treckies call them creative. Out of all of the hundreds of episodes there were maybe 70 or 80 great storylines.
The main problem with Star Trek is that it has an unrealistic interpretation of the future of the human race. Humanity will destroy itself before we get close to having a unified planet. It will never happen.
Anyway, with the main problem aside, I must say that the new movie was perhaps the best Star Trek movie ever made. I also belive that if Treckies saw this movie not as Trek fans, but as sci-fi fans, then they would probably think that it was a damn good movie in its own right.
As far as Trek cannon goes, there is no true Trek cannon. There are hundreds of cannon mistakes throughout all of the series. If you don’t believe me, I saw a few you tube vids a while back that showed many of these mistakes, look them up.
Trek needed a reboot, because frankly, the same old stories were getting old and JJ Abrams did a damn good job.
Very well said. Now if only the other Trekkies would take a hint. I don’t have a problem if you just plain didn’t like the movie, but waving your Trekkie Allegiance flag is getting old. There was a lot of good action (click on my link to see some 70’s Trek), the actors were charismatic and likeable, and their were a lot of homages to the original (I loved that the redshirt died!). Getting all worked up because they decided to make some changes in the characters to make them more appealing or whatever is stupid.
I became a fan one thursday night in 1966. I have met every one including Nimoy. I have read all the books. I am however not so rabid that I must costume. My point: Excellent movie!! a lot of you need catching up on Chaos theory and dimentional shift AND to lighten up a little!! What would you tell your self, should you ever hae the privilage of meeting it????
I’m consider myself a reasonably “trekkie” female, having seen the original, TNG, and Enterprise, as well as some of Voyager and DS9. The franchise needed a change and this was a great way to do it! I loved the movie and I’m glad it’s drawing in new fans. I look forward to the sequel. BTW, Beliskner85, you must be a sad, sorry little person. What a depressing way of looking at the human race. I’ll take Roddenberry’s vision any day over yours.
I don’t know about him being so “sad” and “sorry” so much as being realistic. I mean take a look at our world. Hell take a look at your post. You make a very derrogative personal remark because of his opinion on a Science Fiction franchise. You really think when people react that way to SIMPLE things like this that this entire would could ever be unified?
How much of a trekkie am I? I own every series on DVD. I’ve watched the remastered TOS side-by-side with the original TOS on two TVs, JUST to compare every second of footage. I custom-kitbash my own model ships.
That said… the only bad thing about the new movie is the endless whining by continuity fetishists. Who are wrong about virtually everything they complain about, anyway.
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I cannot believe I’m about to say this, but dang William Shatner was hawt!
I miss DeForest Kelley
Thank you
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Haven’t seen the movie yet so I am not going to make any decisions except for an opinion on Spock from what I am hearing so far.
Sure Spock was young but Vulcans don’t let their young off planet before they have their emotions in check. It is part of their upbringing.
Also, for those saying that Kirk was horribly womanizing, I invite you to actually go back through the series and see how many times he actually did what he is being accused of. It is an old hat insult that does nothing but grate my brain these days…
I’m so happy I have never been a Trekkie/Trekker yet.. The best part about that being I don’t care about plot inconsistencies, ‘ruining of a good canon’, franchise milking or any such fanboy/girl complaints.. I just paid for my ticket, enjoyed the movie, and left the hall satisfied..
Ah..the luxuries of not being anal about details
I actually loved the “reboot” and I have been a fan for pretty much my entire life. I have to admit, I like the new Kirk better. I don’t know if that makes me a “bad” fan, but then I lost a lot of respect for William Shatner after I got to meet both him and Nimoy. Nimoy rocked he was awesome! But William Shatner was a bit of a boob and pretty much proved that he has bought into his on hero image and is in love with himself.
*face palm* that would be his OWN hero image. spelling fail.
Sad to watch some people age…
I don’t know, if your a layman and seeing that movie I guess it’s okay but I’m a real fan and I hated it. They did not convey what star trek was about and there was virtually no plot and violence up the wazzu. And what’s with the going through the black hole. You can’t go through a black hole that’s like gothing through a thrash conpactor.
Shatner rules!
Turned 53 this month, I’ve watched Star Trek since it was first on TV. I’ve seen this movie 3 times. I loved it. I’m bored with the old Star Trek, I’ve seen every show at least a dozen times.
I love Star Trek in all it’s incarnations. I’ve been watching since 1967. That said, I loved the movie too. It was fun and exciting must like the series was back then. Sure TOS is dated now but it is over 40 years old.
You newbies that have shunned Star Trek until the movie cannot call your self Trekkie or Treckers. You can call yourself a teenage girl, because that’s probably what you are.
Hey, now! No need to insult the rest of us teenage girls. Not all of us are “wanna-be’s”. I’m seventeen and I’ve latched onto pretty much anything Star Trek related since my dad introduced it to me when I was a kid. I may not have seen them when they were new, but I still love ‘em.
The Reboot was one of the best things Paramount could have possibly given the Star Trek fan-girl community. It gave us a massive amount of new parings and new avenues to explore in our fanfics without completely annihilating cannon. It was hard to write angst!Spock before, the new cannon has made that a lot easier. Thank you JJ Abrams.
I’m sorry, but the new movie sucked epically. They ruined my favorite characters, killed off one redshirt instead of the multitudes that TOS did, and had a FAIL villian. But it’ll get worse people; they’re thinking about adding in Khan to the sequal. Shoot me now.